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Old August 4 2013, 02:53 PM   #76
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Re: George Lucas - Why the Vitriol?

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Considering they released three-novels in a 23-month period, I'd say Zahn is misremembering. Book one was released in June 1992 while book two was released in June of '93, meaning that book two had already been green-lighted before the first book was released. The dates for release can be found on Wookiepedia.
Heir to the Empire was released in hardcover in May 1991.
The Dark Force Rising hardcover was released in June of '92. So we are still looking at roughly a year between publication of the two books.
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Old August 4 2013, 02:56 PM   #77
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Re: George Lucas - Why the Vitriol?

The PT has new fans. Of course the fans of the OT didn't like it as much. Yeah, the PT has a different tone. But a lot of people liked that. For everyone who hates it there's one for loves it. Those who dislike it mostly argue "But it's not like the OT!" Well, it wasn't supposed to be. The PT is aimed at children even more than the OT, that's why there's Jar Jar and funny battle droids. That's why there's a friggin Clone Wars cartoon show.
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Old August 4 2013, 03:01 PM   #78
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For everyone who hates it there's one for loves it.
That's not even close to being true regardless of what you're talking about.
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Old August 4 2013, 03:12 PM   #79
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For everyone who hates it there's one for loves it.
That's not even close to being true regardless of what you're talking about.
Oh hey. Regardless of what you're talking about, it's absolutely true.
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Old August 4 2013, 03:30 PM   #80
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Re: George Lucas - Why the Vitriol?

Wookiee is not spelled like "cookie".

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Stuff happens!
Because stuff didn't happen in TPM?

Or was it that people didn't like the stuff that did happen?
A lot of the stuff that happened was totally worthless
In other words, "yes".

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Hell, let's go a step broader.
Let's not and say we did.

"I hate the film because Jar Jar sucks" is all you need, and it's indisputable as opinion. "Going a step broader" means marching heedlessly into RLM territory by acting as if the film's Jar Jar cooties make it automatically wrong on all levels. There are few ( if any ) films in which nothing happens, and TPM simply isn't one of them.
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Old August 4 2013, 04:03 PM   #81
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They're his films he can change them if he wants to it. You and I may not like it but such is life.
But that's not the whole issue. From what he's said, it seems like Lucas would prefer it if the original theatrical versions deteriorated into nothing, and the sooner the better. Regardless of whether someone has the right to make changes, the "Special Edition" of Star Wars is not the film that people lined up to see again and again in 1977. It's not the film that changed movie making. IMO that film does not deserve to be erased from history.

We've all heard of classic movies that were re-cut, not preserved or suppressed in some way. We've all heard of film historians and preservationists tracking down original prints to a basement somewhere so an original version can be restored. Why consign Star Wars, in advance, to that kind of fate? It could all be done now, and wouldn't take anything away from the SE version. I can't understand Lucas's position on that, I just don't get it.

BTW, IMO history will be kinder to the original cuts than the SEs, they are better movies.
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Old August 4 2013, 04:14 PM   #82
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I wonder if a condition of sale mandated by Lucas to Disney was that the Holiday Special will never see the light of day.
The one thing concerning which Lucas has stuck to his guns that I completely agree with.
Actually, I'm hoping we'll get a Special Edition DVD of The Holiday Special, complete with new CGI effects.

You know, the way it was originally intended....
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Old August 4 2013, 04:18 PM   #83
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While Jar Jar was the worst character of all time, C3PO was rather annoying in the PT as well.
C3PO always annoyed me, even in the OT. While Jar-Jar may have grated at times, at least he was a nice guy at heart, not a stuck-up jackass like C3PO.
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Old August 4 2013, 04:39 PM   #84
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I wonder if a condition of sale mandated by Lucas to Disney was that the Holiday Special will never see the light of day.
The one thing concerning which Lucas has stuck to his guns that I completely agree with.
Actually, I'm hoping we'll get a Special Edition DVD of The Holiday Special, complete with new CGI effects.

You know, the way it was originally intended....
You will believe a Bea Arthur can dance with a Walrusman!
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Old August 4 2013, 06:59 PM   #85
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While Jar Jar was the worst character of all time, C3PO was rather annoying in the PT as well.
C3PO always annoyed me, even in the OT. While Jar-Jar may have grated at times, at least he was a nice guy at heart, not a stuck-up jackass like C3PO.
The problem with Jar Jar is that there is simply no purpose to his existence within the movie. C3PO was there to translate R2D2, so at least he had some purpose.
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Old August 4 2013, 07:04 PM   #86
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^ Actually, Jar-Jar did have a purpose. That was to be the final vote in the Republic Senate which authorized Palpatine to create the clone army. Jar-Jar, in all his innocence, had no idea he was being manipulated. That was the end purpose of the character.
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Old August 4 2013, 07:36 PM   #87
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^ Actually, Jar-Jar did have a purpose. That was to be the final vote in the Republic Senate which authorized Palpatine to create the clone army. Jar-Jar, in all his innocence, had no idea he was being manipulated. That was the end purpose of the character.
Did you get the sense that this was always the plan, starting from TPM? I sure didn't. He was kind of presented as a moron in that movie.
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Old August 4 2013, 07:41 PM   #88
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Even then he was at least used as a plot device to move characters from point A to point B, and then his reference to the Gungan army becomes important in the final battle.
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Old August 4 2013, 09:15 PM   #89
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^ Actually, Jar-Jar did have a purpose. That was to be the final vote in the Republic Senate which authorized Palpatine to create the clone army. Jar-Jar, in all his innocence, had no idea he was being manipulated. That was the end purpose of the character.
That's the purpose he ended up with but I highly doubt that was the intended purpose and it still makes the character incredibly dumb as all he was in TPM was low-brow childish comic relief. Hate all you want on C3P0 but we didn't get long, extended, scenes of him just being a complete comic-relief doofus stepping in poop.
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Old August 4 2013, 10:34 PM   #90
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For everyone who hates it there's one for loves it.
That's not even close to being true regardless of what you're talking about.
Oh hey. Regardless of what you're talking about, it's absolutely true.
No, it really isn't. It's the thing the people with unpopular votes try to delude themselves with in order to make them feel better. If it were true, then *every* vote ever would *always* be 50%/50%. There wouldn't even be a point in voting, in fact, because for everyone who hates something, someone else loves it.

Pure bullshit.
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