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Old August 1 2013, 01:12 PM   #46
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The city shown in the film was presumably ShiKahr
How so? It's supposed to be the city with the Vulcan Science Academy in it, after all - and nothing indicates that Spock's hometown would be the location of this exalted body.
If I recall, the city exterior shots we saw in ST09 were from Spock's childhood flashbacks. There's no particular reason to assume that the city we saw had to be ShiKahr -- after all, in the era of transporters, a child can presumably attend school in any city whose timezone won't completely throw off his sleep cycle.
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Old August 1 2013, 02:21 PM   #47
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The Vulcan city is identified as Shi'kahr in the "Spock's Birth" deleted scene.

Although really, if Saavik can be Kirstie Alley and Robin Curtis, Kirk can be William Shatner and Chris Pine etc etc., Shi'kahr can be the same place whether it looks the way it looks in "Yesteryear", "Kir"Shara" or STXI. The exact layout of the city matters exactly as much as James T. Kirk's eye colour does.
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Old August 2 2013, 10:33 AM   #48
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There's something of a mood-setting element there, though. The town in "Yesteryear" (and "Amok Time"-R!) looked very much like a place from which a kid could engage in an unscheduled walk through the desert; the city in STXI would require him to fight his way through an urban jungle first... It doesn't look as if the stalaktite-groundscrapers would ever give way to a "suburb" of the sort that would facilitate Spock wandering off.

OTOH, the balcony on which Amanda stares at Nero's huge tool in action could well be part of a condo similar to the one seen in TAS.

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Old August 2 2013, 02:41 PM   #49
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OTOH, the balcony on which Amanda stares at Nero's huge tool in action
I was about to ask if you would care to rephrase that, but it occurred to me that, "Amanda stares at Nero's drill" is not much better.
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Old August 3 2013, 04:13 PM   #50
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The Vulcan city is identified as Shi'kahr in the "Spock's Birth" deleted scene.
I know that, but deleted scenes aren't canonical information, so I didn't mention it as a "fact."
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Old August 7 2013, 01:21 AM   #51
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Re: STID and the Eugenics Wars books

Since Mr. Cox is here at times..maybe he or someone else can refresh my memory since I haven't read bis great books in several.years....

When seven and roberta destroyed the facility and saved the Augment kids...did they discuss sending the kids to be raised by the Aegis as seven was?...it seems like it should have been an option that would at least be considered as opposed to letting them run loose on earth
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Old August 7 2013, 01:30 AM   #52
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Re: STID and the Eugenics Wars books

^ They probably reasoned that it would be interfering with the timeline if they did that. Seven was well aware of what was supposed to happen in the future. If the kids were raised by the Aegis, they couldn't fulfill their destiny in the Eugenics Wars, which are a necessary historical event.
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^ They probably reasoned that it would be interfering with the timeline if they did that. Seven was well aware of what was supposed to happen in the future. If the kids were raised by the Aegis, they couldn't fulfill their destiny in the Eugenics Wars, which are a necessary historical event.

Did he? I thought he had limited info.which is.why he couldn't stop them sooner not that he chose to wait to fulfill some predestination paradox
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Re: STID and the Eugenics Wars books

That doesn't mesh with my understanding of the books, in which Seven doesn't seem to know that the EW are coming...or if he did, he never shares that knowledge with Roberta.

Perhaps he was given knowledge of the future in the long-term, but not, say, the next century or so.
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Old August 7 2013, 01:46 AM   #55
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^ The first time we meet Seven in TOS, he is intervening to stop a historical event that he already knows about (the launch of the orbital weapons platform). So if he knew about that, it stands to reason that he could know about events that are even MORE major.
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That may be, but nothing in the books seems to indicate that he has advance knowledge of the EW.
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^ Even if Seven didn't know about the EW, I'm sure the Aegis did. So if Seven had tried to pawn off the Augment kids on the Aegis, they'd have rejected it.
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That doesn't mesh with my understanding of the books, in which Seven doesn't seem to know that the EW are coming...or if he did, he never shares that knowledge with Roberta.

Perhaps he was given knowledge of the future in the long-term, but not, say, the next century or so.
As I recall, no one knew the EW had happened. They just looked like the 20th century conflicts we actually saw. It was what was happening in the background that was the 'real' EW.
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Old August 7 2013, 04:22 PM   #59
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^No one knew they were happening at the time, but of course history knows they happened, and the question was whether or not Gary was given future knowledge by the Aegis.

Although it's unclear whether Gary was given any knowledge of the future at all. His line, "Humans with a Vulcan -- you're from the future!" implies that he knows something about the Federation era, but it could just be a logical deduction: humans haven't met Vulcans yet, so if humans and a Vulcan are on the same ship wearing the same uniform -- not to mention using transporters -- it follows that they must be from the future.
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