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Old August 18 2013, 02:43 PM   #271
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Re: Kate Mulgrew - Orange is the New black

I love this show. I saw it a few weeks ago and mouth just dropped when i saw Kate in it....FUCK ME. I actually said that. My housemates were like "WHAAAAAT?". They were consequently hooked too. Its a great show. As Breaking Bad and True Blood draw to a close will replace my american show need (and Scandal too). I love Red. Is she returning to the show?
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Old August 18 2013, 08:25 PM   #272
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She's great, isn't she?

Yes, she's coming back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNrghhJAkCk

Not sure if you found this on the previous page, but here's a great interview with Kate about OitNB.

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Old August 18 2013, 08:43 PM   #273
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Yeah I sat down earlier in my popcorn and shorts. Munched away. Some of these characters are so well-written they could EASILY have their own spin-off shows. Red & Nicky....definitely.
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Old August 19 2013, 12:43 AM   #274
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FOOL ME ONCE... continued


Yoga Jones isn't the only one who had their back story highlighted in this ep. The wonder that is Tiffany "Pennsatucky" Doggett was also up for review.

Before we see her past, however, we see what she's like after 24 (?) hours in Psych. She & Leanne are folding sheets in the laundry (I really like how we see/hear everyone working their jobs this week. Crazy Eyes & Piper mopping, Gina & Red doing working the kitchen or its shipments, the three amigas (not) in the laundry & Morello as the trusty van driver) and "Tucky" is strangely silent. Even when Alex tries to goad her, she doesn't respond, much to Leanne's chagrin.

Leanne: Why ain't you throwing it back at her?
Doggett: Cause there ain't no point, Leanne all right? I got beat. Ain't nobody up there looking out for me no more.

Then TD has some real introspection.

Doggett: You know, it finally come to me, after all this time I've been following HIM. I finally heard HIM talk to me... HIM saying I was "his girl". I was. (Because of her sudden skill at faith healing). Turns out, it wasn't HIM. It was CHAPman, the bitchdevil of Litchfield.

I found it interesting that at this point, Alex intervened NOT to admit it was SHE who started the gaslight gag, but just to extoll Piper's confession that allowed Pennsatucky to get out of Psych at the expense of 2 weeks of sleepless nights scrubbing toilets & floors.

Doggett is not into revenge, but she is into explaining to us her view of religion.

Doggett: Do you know what if means if there ain't no-body up there punishing the evil-doers? It means there's ain't nobody giving out prizes for the good ones neither. Cause there ain't no judge, there ain't no justice. We just crawl around this earth like ants, and then we die.

Which sets up an interesting segue into Tiffany's past.

She's lying naked in bed, smoking with her "significant other". They are having a talk about her current pregnancy. He's trying to point out the advantages of having a baby, first among them are the money from the State & the WIC (Women, Infants & Children) packages. Doggett is being more practical. Her cousin was arrested after the birth of her child and the baby was "taken away" because the illegal drugs found in her system. She was arrested for endangering a minor and Doggett wasn't going to follow suit.

The boyfriend suggested stopping drugs to avoid that outcome... but neither one could hold a straight face at THAT thought!

She tried to get him to bring her to the clinic, but of course he was busy and she had to find a ride elsewhere.

Eventually we see Doggett pulling her own IV out of her arm and begin changing from the johnny gown into her clothes at the clinic. She looks uncomfortable. A nurse? aide? walks into the room to stock it, and makes an unfortunate comment.

Red Shirt Nurse: Number 5, huh? We should give you a punch card. Get the 6th one is free.

Oh honey.

Dogget goes out to a waiting truck (Not the boyfriend) and pulls a shot gun from the rack in the cab. When asked what she was doing, her response was "She disrespected me." and back in she went... walking by the antiabortion protestors with the shotgun. The next thing we see is them reacting to the gun shots.

Nobody "disrespects" Tiffany "Pennsatucky" Doggett.
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Old August 19 2013, 01:56 AM   #275
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FOOL ME ONCE... continued

One of the things I like about this show is that they DO follow through on storylines.

A couple of months ago, Healy suggested Miss Claudette appeal her sentence.

She said no. "Hope" was too dangerous to contemplate for this woman.

Then she got a letter from Jean Baptiste and changed her mind. We saw her in the law library for several eps, and from past eps we know she & her lawyer filed the appeal. Now she has another 24 hours to wait for a response.

She walks into her cubical one morning and comments that her bunkmate (who's working the night shift cleaning toilets) missed breakfast.

Piper: I needed to sleep more than I needed eggs.

Earlier this morning, Piper finally told Alex about her cell phone call with "the fiancé".

Now Piper finally addresses the radio program with Miss Claudette. (I love how she still calls her "Miss Claudette" even after all these weeks, while Miss C simply calls her "Chapman".) She once again apologizes for the radio program. Miss Claudette "knows" the stories that fellow prisoners whisper about her, she just wished her Bunkie "thought enough of {her} to ask for the truth."

You realize how much this hurt Claudette when she leaves her Bunkie with a cutting remark.

Miss Claudette: Tomorrow is a big day for me, and I won't have you ruin it (by sharing her respiratory virus). That seems to be a talent of yours.

Hmmm.

Piper, via Larry's radio program, ruined Miss Claudette & Suzanne's view of themselves AND not only ruined Doggett's view, Piper had her thrown into Psych. I would have to say that what Miss C said was right. It wasn't kind... but it was right.

The next day finds Miss Claudette in a lighter mood. She shares with Piper that her lawyer feels the judge is leaning their way. Piper sits up and offers Miss Claudette an olive branch, in the form of pink nail polish to brighten her up for this special day.

Miss Claudette: (Looks at the bottle) I don't think that's my color.
Piper: Hold out your hand.

Miss C sighs, then walks over to the standing Piper and holds out her hand. Piper silently takes it and carefully applies the polish to one nail.

One of the important things about this scene, is watching Miss C as she watches Piper.

Piper: Have any big plans if this all works out?
Miss Claudette: There is someone waiting for me. That is plan enough. (Piper looks thoughtful) And, I'm going to eat dinner at dinnertime. At 7 o'clock... like a person.
Piper: (Looks at Miss C... like a person and asks) What do you think?
Miss Claudette: (Looks at her hand) Pretty. (Then Miss C smiles, nods and gives Piper her hand once more, to finish the job. Piper is also smiling. This was certainly easier than chewing jalapeno peppers for Red.)

Later this day... we'll discover what the courts think of Miss Claudette's pink nail polish and her hopeful appeal.
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Old August 19 2013, 06:14 AM   #276
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"Watch" Natasha on the radio. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6N3dM2Uwew

and part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKX67BdOQiA
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Old August 19 2013, 03:02 PM   #277
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The Rules of Prison Life... according to OitNB:

http://www.vulture.com/2013/07/rules...new-black.html
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Old August 20 2013, 04:07 AM   #278
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FOOL ME ONCE... continued

Just in case you thought that working the night janitorial shift would give Piper a pass from her daytime electrical duties, think again.

Later that day in the kitchen (it must be between meals since no-one is around and the pantry is locked behind wire cage doors) Piper is taking a screw driver to a toaster. All I could think of was "Piper! Remember rule #1. Did you unplug that sucker yet?"

Alex walks in carrying a load of towels, and sees opportunity in the empty kitchen.

Alex: (She sidles over to Piper) Ya wanna fuck in the pantry?
Piper: Heyyy, get out of here. You're gonna get us shot. (Shot=a written reprimand like after the dryer incident)
Alex: I'm serious. (Alex is snuggling up to Piper's back, kissing her neck) I was so afraid about you finding out the truth, but now its out (that she gave Piper up to the Feds) and its okay. (her hands are roaming more than a teenaged boy on a date at a drive-in movie) Its kind of a rush. The cool thing about sex in an industrial kitchen (she's handling Piper the way Pornstache did when he frisked Piper in the electrical shop) is there's a ton of margarine in here.
Piper: (Being ever so polite) Stop it Alex.

But Alex doesn't stop.

Watching Piper in the scene was quite telling. Initially when Alex walked in, it was their usual absent minded banter, nothing overtly titillating and Piper seemed fine. As Alex turned up the fondling and the verbal commentary, Piper's face went from fine to cool to distinctly uncomfortable, but she still didn't try to shut Alex down until the drug dealer FINALLY went too far.

Piper: We're NOT okay! (She finally breaks free from Alex' grasp and steps off 3 paces. Motioning back and forth between them she yells) This Is Not Fine!
Alex: Good. Now we can talk.

Piper is pissed that this was a ruse to get her to talk and Alex further pushes her button by defining "what" they're going to talk about.

Alex: You find out that I personally got you thrown in here at the exact moment your manicured fingers were like closing on the yuppie brass ring... and somehow you DON'T have a problem with it? You are so full of shit!

(And now comes one of the great P/A exchanges of the series, one celebrated in thousands, well, hundreds, well at LEAST four score and several more fan-made vids.)

Piper: (Punch blocks Alex in the chest throwing her back 2 feet) FUCK YOU!

(She punch blocks her back another 2 feet)

Piper: FUCK YOU ALEX!

(She's now backing Alex up until she traps her against the pantry's cage door)

Piper: (This is as mad as we've ever seen our dear WASP .... so far) You want to see me angry? Well GUESS WHAT! I'm really FUCKING ANGRY, because I love you Alex. I love you, and I Fucking HATE YOU! I've been really trying to keep my shit together but if you really need to see me Hulk out over this... (and she pushes Alex back one more time into the cage door before turning around to stalk away)

(Alex is smiling, because she knows she guessed right about Piper's motives during their early morning bathroom tete e tete.)

Alex: Larry left you, didn't he? (Piper stops and turns around) And that's why you're... "fake fine" with me.

I love Alex's interpretation of Piper's motives, love them because this is yet another example of everything Alex is accusing Piper of doing/feeling could also be laid at Alex's own door step since Piper left 8 years ago.

Alex: Right now you're willing to overlook pretty much anything because ultimately you are just terrified of being alone... (Now the formerly spurned lover gets a little righteous in her indignation) Is that all I am to you? (She marches up to get in Piper's face) A fucking binky to suck on, until you feel better?!

Piper's not answering.

Piper's not even looking in her direction.

Alex: Look at me.

Piper slowly turns to face her nemesis. Gritting her teeth she asks the one question she's needed answered.

Piper: Why did you do it?

Remember that video where Alex denied ratting her out in episode 3? Well, replay it in your mind and substitute "yes" for all the no's.

Yes, Alex gave up Piper because the Feds were offering less time, "significantly" less. Alex figured she might as well rat out Piper before one of her associates did (they all traveled together). ANYWAY, Piper was no longer real to Alex since the two hadn't seen heard from each other in EIGHT years (Hey! Is that a continuity error or a hint. Piper told Alex in ep 3's yelling match that she hadn't seen Alex in FIVE years!!!) and truth be finally told, after 8 years the vindictive Alex was still upset over the way Piper walked out on their relationship, walked out when Alex the woman (not the drug dealer) needed her the most, at the time of her mother's death.

Piper might have bought Alex' act, and told her so... IF Alex hadn't lied, if Alex had simply delivered this speech months ago when Piper first arrived.

Alex: I wanted you to like me. I still do. (Why Alex? Is Piper YOUR binky?)
Piper: Maybe you should have thought that all the way through.

And Piper walks away.

Here's to hoping she didn't leave her screwdriver behind with the broken toaster.
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Old August 20 2013, 04:30 AM   #279
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Some of the many Piper Alex vids that reference this scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VUAxRkj4ow



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RPlBqRHlcU



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iIaoOTAk44



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgKMNHN5_R4



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvCXWHxe1NQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvCXWHxe1NQ&hl=en&fs=1&">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvCXWHxe1NQ&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344">
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Old August 20 2013, 05:14 AM   #280
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JRulez I apologize if you've already posted about this but I saw it on tumblr..





These are the same shoes that the Russian mafia queen bitch was wearing, Red had gone out and bought them to fit in and she is checking them out very pleased with herself..

Aww..

Suddenly I want to be her friend.
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Old August 20 2013, 11:50 AM   #281
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That's great Teacake.


Post anything you find there (I don't visit the site ) and thanks for explaining the significance of the shoes. I hadn't realized they were the blonde's brand.

(See, baby Alex, the popular girls would have STILL made fun of you, even if you had the expensive shoes. )
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FOOL ME ONCE... continued


Another of my favorite "ancillary characters" was showcased this week. I'm not sure why I like him, if we met in real life I would think he was just a "pot smoking fat Bon Iver"... if I had known who Bon Iver was before I googled him last week.

If you haven't figured out who I'm talking about yet... shame on you. I'm speaking of "Creative Cal" Chapman, AKA Piper's brother. You know him, he lives in the woods, 110 miles from civilization, out of a small camping trailer. Not sure where it is, but it has great cell phone service since every time we visit him out there, he's either on the phone or texting.

This time he's texting as Larry visits and does a little soul searching about his relationship with Cal's sister.

I just got to say... I love the way Cal decorates his campsite. In case no-one has noticed all the decorating going on in the ep (Yoga Jones does it, Caputo does it, Poussey & Black Cindy are doing it) the plastic reindeer standing behind Cal with some Christmas lights hanging from it should have alerted you by now that Christmas is "just around the corner".

I also love the way he lets Larry vent, but then isn't shy about laughing at Larry's honest comments (that while he admitted Piper had a point about the radio program, he also felt he had to talk about her since SHE was the most interesting thing about HIM) nor was he shy about bringing his own biases in to weigh on Larry's biases. Like when Larry complained not just about Piper's infidelity, but that she was GOSH, involved with a woman!

Larry: That's the bigger problem with this whole thing. She fucked a woman. So what, is she gay now?
Cal: (He's finished texting and trying to carve a wooden spoon) I don't know about "now". I think she just is what she is, man.
Larry: Which is what... exactly?
Cal: I'm going to go ahead and guess that one of the issues here is your need to say that a person is exactly anything.

When Larry admitted that he thought their relationship was over (Larry and Piper, not Larry and Cal. ) Cal put his knife and spoon away to admit it was weird being in the middle of this drama and he took pains to explain WHY he moved 110 miles away from civilization... he's allergic to "other people's drama" especially when it involved his sister.

The drama wasn't over as Cal's cellphone chimed and he picked it up to read a text response from Neri, the underwater arc welder girlfriend.

"Yes".

Cal mutters a "Holy shit!" then lumbers to stand and with outstretched arms he "ROARS" before turning to the man who feels his life with Cal's sister is over.

Cal: Dude, I'm engaged!"
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FOOL ME ONCE... continued

Cal & Neri, two peas in a pod, two love birds, two people who are, after Neri finds a roasted chicken in the camper that came from a nearby Wegman's and therefore didn't die at the point of their gun, two people who are...

Neri: ... funda-fucking-mentally different people... at a DNA level!
Cal: WHAT? Your Father's a FINANCIAL SYSTEMS ANALYST!

Larry is sitting in the background, quietly drinking his beer and trying not to look at the two lovers as they go at each other at the top of their lungs. (To be honest, she IS louder than he is.) Finally Neri stomps out of the camper, leaving Cal with Larry who feels the need to commiserate.

Larry: Well, that was awkward.
Cal: (spins back to his guest with a puzzled smile) Awkward? How?
Larry: Its a, its just tough to see you hit the rocks like that man.
Cal: (He smiles happily) That was foreplay Bloomer, that's how we relate.
Larry: (Disbelieving) Seems a little aggressive.

And this is one of the reasons why I love Cal... because for ONCE, somebody else tells me what it was like growing up in Piper's childhood home. I wonder, after hearing this, how many of us even thought to have the sympathy for Piper that the hospital scene garnered from us for Nicky in her flashback.

Cal: Think about how baby Cal grew up, all right? Everyone pretended that everything was chill... Dad fucked two different women named Linda (I'm assuming his Mom's name is NOT Linda) Mom lived on gin and cottage cheese from '91 to about '98 ...

(When Piper would have been 10 to 18 years old. No wonder she gravitated towards a strong independent woman when she graduated college. She'd never had one in her life before that.)

...and everyone knew and nobody ever said anything about it. But with Neri... we put everything out there, man. Its safe. We scream and throw shit (Sound like any other arguments WE'VE seen lately in this show???) and its like... electric, you know what I'm saying, its erotic, no joke...

So now we know.

Piper, the little blonde WASP, the girl born with a silver spoon in her mouth, who graduated from a prestigious women's college, was raised by a philandering Father and an alcoholic Mother who never faced any problem that could be shoved under a veil of self imposed politeness or behind an alcoholic induced haze. How could Piper have any self esteem when raised by two such prizes as that?

And to think, Nicky was jealous of the Shalimar hug... when truth be told, Piper would have been jealous of the passionate Russian's love for Nicky had she been aware of it.

So Baby Cal was raised by two people who should have never married, much less had children... and sadly enough, so was Piper.

Cal is still trying to find his way in the world... but its telling his "way" is to hide from it in his camper parked deep in the forest.

But he is trying to reach out to the world bit by bit, with his cell phone, with his friendship-counseling of Larry, with his girlfriend.

Too bad he's not strong enough to reach out to his (?) big sister.

I think she could really use him, about now.
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Old August 21 2013, 12:06 PM   #284
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In honor of the woman behind the "passionate Russian that loves Nicky"... yet another interview.

http://www.vulture.com/2013/08/orang...interview.html

Loved the part about the Netflix lady too intimidated to approach her for 6 months.
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So my brother just sent me this text:

"Kate Mulgrew is awesome, she punched a tit to death"

apparently he just decided to watch the show and was up all night watching it LOL
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