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Old August 5 2013, 04:57 PM   #196
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I wonder if there was something in the article about Healy, I wonder if that's why he threw the paper out and treated her differently afte that
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I wonder if there was something in the article about Healy, I wonder if that's why he threw the paper out and treated her differently afte that

I think Piper is right. Healy has a fantasy that they could be MORE than "friends" so he didn't like reading the article that her fiance had written. In the prison Healy is just competing for Piper with other women, but here is a young vital male who has a sexy job writing for the newspapers and has known Piper in the "biblical" sense.

The article is an "in your face" reminder that the only woman Healy can get is a desperate green card seeking Ukranian.

ETA: Finally listened to the 3 part interview http://video.msnbc.msn.com/mhp/52670041#52670041 (Must go fishing at the bottom of the page), very interesting talk and I agree that I would have walked right by "Crazy Eyes" without recognizing her. (Quite the compliment)
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Old August 5 2013, 11:31 PM   #198
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Interview with Big Boo: http://www.afterellen.com/lea-delari...black/07/2013/

Interview with Laverne Cox: http://www.afterellen.com/watch-now-...oster/07/2013/

Interview with one of the writers ( the only openly gay one on staff so you'll understand now why I howled at this quote... "I’ve actually found myself defending the straight characters more. It turns out sometimes straight people really are just straight!")

http://www.afterellen.com/sara-hess-...house/08/2013/

The Books of OitNB: http://www.latimes.com/features/book...,7439147.story

Q&A with Piper Kerman author/ex-con. http://www.latimes.com/features/book...,6863932.story

LATimes review... I just love the first paragraph!
As the fourth series in Netflix's attempt to change television and the world as we know it, "Orange Is the New Black" may feel a bit like the last bridesmaid, trailing in the petal-strewn wake of "House of Cards" and "Arrested Development." But as any rom-com addict knows, it's precisely that gal, the one bringing up the rear with the broken heel and the tilted headdress, who winds up stealing the show.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...tory?track=rss
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FB post today from Kate Mulgrew's page:

The 5 Stages of "Orange is the New Black"
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^^ I LOVED the Shuffling vid!!!!

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Good interview: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/...0489/?page=all
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Old August 7 2013, 04:30 AM   #201
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SPOILERS

SPOILERS

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EPISODE #9 F*CKSGIVING

Whoa!

This was one heck of an episode, for a variety of reasons.

First, the negative. (yeah, can you believe it? )

For once, the writers were not only unclear re: timeline, they were either intentionally obtuse or just plain wrong. Specifically, did this show take place over one day, Thanksgiving morn to evening?

Or two days, and if 2 days was it Thanksgiving eve to Thanksgiving evening or Thanksgiving day to day after Thanksgiving?

Or "3 days..." Thanksgiving eve morning to the day after Thanksgiving?

Like I said, it was confusing and when I think too much it is more than a little irritating. My answer? I don't freaking care so I'm blowing it off.

Second, this is one of the few times that Larry not only stepped up to the plate, but hit it out of the ball park with his one man "storming the Bastille" homage in his attempt to get Piper out of SHU on Thanksgiving.

Too bad he geeked out over Maury Kind's radio show and simpered like a Trekkie at a Las Vegas convention, trying to get Kate Mulgrew's attention in the autograph line.

I could have forgiven him such a faux pas, but I was busy doing a double take over Maury Kind's interpretation of Larry in his "Modern Love" New York Times column as the "long suffering husband".

WTF?

No wonder Piper was so upset at the end of "last week's" ep that she sought out Alex in her sick room.

"Two prisoners, one sentence" indeed!

Piper should have taken Alex up on her offer to use her contacts to do away with Larry Bloom. (KIDDING! )

Third, the Hispanic story line finally tried to humanize Daya and her mother and continued to give Gloria a wonderful turn as the non-pitiful comedic source in this part of the prison. When she told Daya to drink the team then go outside to dig a hole, stick a BEAN into it, blow smoke from a cigarette into it and then cover it with a mound of dirt because she didn't have any angelica or gris gris oil... I wanted to howl! Especially at what she demanded in payment.

I did howl when Daya's mother came over later to tell her the tea wouldn't abort the baby, it would just give her diarrhea, I did howl. Silly teenager. (Do we know how old Daya is, she acts like she's barely 18 most of the time.) Her mother's acknowledgement that her children, EVEN DAYA, held the potential to do great things, made her believe her pitiful prison life still held worth.

Fourth, the Taystee / Poussey friendship story. Gosh I love these two kids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH_J3pr1xeM



To be continued
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Old August 7 2013, 05:32 AM   #202
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F*CKSGIVING continued AKA : Waiting for the other shoe to drop.

The show starts with Nicky hanging out in the kitchen, helping to peel potatoes. Mama Red is suspicious at all this volunteer help, but accepts the answer that Luschek is MIA and the electrical shop closed for the day.

The uncharitable among us would say after ratting out Red to Mendez last "week", Nicky is hanging around the kitchen to steal some free samples of whatever contraband Mendez will start shipping in those vegetable boxes.

I am not uncharitable.

The face that Nicky gives us as she watches Red curse at whatever she found in the box and stuck down her blouse, the face that followed Red out of the kitchen was the face of freaking doom. It was the face of a woman who knew her days were numbered... and sadly it looked like the face of a woman who would not protest when her end came.

What will be left for Nicky, when Red's love is withdrawn? Did you really believe her when she told Red that her other friends in prison were just as important to her???

Nicky isn't the only one waiting for the other shoe to drop. From the moment Red tossed those pills in the toilet (with a decidedly "Captain Janeway" shrug of her shoulders) Red knew her days were numbered. Correction... her hours were numbered.

I think we were all happy as Mendez pulled his zipper down that his only designs were upon the defenseless vat of gravy. Well, we were all happy until we heard that skinny kitchen helper mention she tasted it before pouring it out and that it "tasted fine." Was Red aghast at her drinking urine, or that she thought Red's gravy NORMALLY tasted like urine???

The one thing about this incident that I liked, was to confirm that Red was even more BUTCH than Big Boo, as she backed Boo away from the cafeteria line with the quiet question... "Are you complaining?"

To be continued...
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F*CKSGIVING... continues

We're in the visitation room again.

What can I say about Crazy Eyes this week?

Of course HER Grammy is dating someone in North Carolina and is too busy to come home for the holiday!

Next season I hope we meet Grammy, and while I DON'T want her to be Betty White, I want some one else just as vigorous / outrageous / old.

Hell yeah!

Mommy: "Suzanne!"

Crazy Eyes: (hits self) "Language."

And my favorite, long suffering spouse came to visit. NO, I'm not talking about Larry (see part 1 of recap) I'm talking about Crystal, Sophia's wife. She was being so upbeat, talking about her victory over shame by returning to her church, working in the soup kitchen, the welcoming pastor, how he introduced her to a money manager who has helped her talk to the bank.

Damn, Sophia's been in the prison 2 years and Crystal's been suffering not just social ostracism but financial ruin after the crap Marcus/Sophia pulled!

And what does the nice surgically created / testosterone deficient female has to say about this? After initially smiling as Crystal gives her news, she gets all territorial "I don't want some strange man around my WIFE, my SON."

Huh?

LOVED Crystal's comeback... "We don't get everything WE want now, do we."

Remember 6 eps (?) ago when Crystal begged Marcus to "keep it (the penis) for me." as he played dress up in their bedroom?

No, Crystal, we don't get everything we want. Lucky for Sophia... she has Sister Ingalls to set her on the right track.

(After being in a woman's prison for 2 YEARS, I can't believe Sophia said this!)

Sophia: I don't understand why Crystal wants sex... look at you.

Sister Ingalls: I'm a nun, I took a vow. Crystal married a man with a penis, I assume it was because she wanted to use it occasionally.

It was sad when Sister Ingalls told the woman who would be in prison another 3 years/8 months to let Crystal "go" and Sophia refused. It was heartening that with further reflection and nudging from the persistent nun, Sophia was able to change her mind and give her "blessing" on Crystal's need to find another man in her life.

I am going to be SO disappointed if Sister Ingalls turns out to be something "bad" instead of the political prisoner we think she is.

Which means, OF COURSE, knowing these PTB's, next season or the one after we'll discover she's a freaking pedophile.

tbc... yet again.
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Old August 7 2013, 07:06 PM   #204
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I felt so bad when he peed in the gravy. After Red was so proud that it was nearly perfect. And of course when that lady said it tasted fine, that was funny!

One thing I liked was when Mendez was approaching Red, the fear in her eyes. She acts all tough, but that was interesting. And props to Kate Mulgrew for doing it so well
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That was a great scene, wasn't it?

Here's a great interview with Pornstache / George Mendez himself...

http://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/tv-news/-o...013240371.html

I didn't know, until I saw this article, that Orange is outdrawing BOTH Arrested Development which came with a built in audience, AND House of Cards, which had the huge movie star draw in Kevin Spacey.

Needless to say... I'M ecstatic!



If anyone is going to Vegas this weekend for the Star Trek convention, PLEASE ask Mulgrew if she's started filming season 2 yet? (I don't want them to forget about her as she gallivants around the country dealing with her Trfek fans.
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F*CKSGIVING... continues


It was interesting to see the interaction with Sophia, Sister Ingalls and Piper in the salon at the top of the show. The simple conversation about how much Piper missed "contact" with another human being since she's entered the prison.

Heck, if when she looks too long in one particular direction she risks her gaze being mistaken for a proposal, what would a casual hand on the shoulder be taken for? (Good thing Captain Janeway isn't here, she'd be married to 12 different women AND the assistant warden chick by now! )

Sr. Ingalls continues to be one of the prison therapists as she draws Piper out regarding the prospect of spending her 1st holiday in prison and the impending visit by Larry.

(She's such a sweetie... PLEASE oh PTB's, DON'T make her some kind of nasty criminal!)

Piper was in a much better mood in the common room as she helped to decorate for Taystee's (Not Tasty's) Bon Voyager party. It was nice to see Alex behave and banter with Piper as if they were 2 old friends.

As the guest of honor arrived and the music began, we saw these too old friends tickling each other's memories of old touches and old dances. The longer Piper and Alex danced... the more they remembered and the more familiar they became with each other, much to the hilarious enjoyment of most of the prisoners and vicarious enjoyment of one very disgusting mustached guard. The woman who only an hour ago bemoaned the loss of contact was having a rip roaring time.

Notice I said "most" of the prisoners enjoyed it.

Pennsatucky: (To Mendez) THAT's LESBIAN activity!

Moonstruck Mendez: (smiling) Yes it is.

Pennsatucky would not be denied, so she went in search of anyone else she could enrage with her observations... even if she had to lie about them.

Yes... they were dancing in the common room with 40 OTHER women.

NO Alex did not have her face up in Chapman's "Hoo Ha" this morning, but that's not what Healy thinks as he strides down the hallway to investigate the further debasing of his fantasy woman.

Healy: CHAPMAN!

Piper was lulled into complacency with Healy all these weeks. Even after learning that the WAC was a scam and that he was prejudiced against other races and sexual orientations not to mention his ignorance re: female ejaculation... she still found some respect for the man.

Until now.

Piper: (As Mendez applies the handcuffs) I have visitation today! Larry's coming to see me. You can't do this!

The woman who was bemoaning the lack of contact just an hour before, is now placed in a triangular windowless cement room with a bed, a blanket, a toilet with a combination sink and nothing else.

THIS is the part where I rail against the writers regarding their unclear timeline. At the party Poussey suggested Taystee was leaving the prison the next day, and Thanksgiving Day dinner actually occurs after Taystee leaves. We see Piper eat two meals, only one of which coincides with her cellmates. When Healy gets yelled at to release Piper, he tells Caputo that "it isn't even 48 hours..." and my ear hears him say "yet"... but who knows, maybe he was saying he only planned to keep her isolated 48 hours but it was still day 1 when Caputo gave the order to release Piper.

And who knows, maybe TPTB screwed with the timeline on purpose. Piper wasn't allowed to know night from day so why should we?

Piper's conversation with Healy was like watching a volcano explode after smoking for weeks. Her righteous ANGER at his illegal transfer to SHU was spot on, and her realization that all his niceties these last few weeks were not because she was white or was "rich", or because he "understood" her... it was because he wanted to know her in the biblical sense and by God SHE knew how to deal with THAT kind of unwanted attention!

Piper: (Talking to Healy through the 10 inch square window I the metal door) Did I make you jealous? You put me in this hell hole for no reason. WAKE UP Healy! Girls like me? We don't fuck ignorant pretentious old men with weird lesbian obsessions. We go for Tall.. Hot Girls.... (her face looks like she's about to be raptured) and we fucking LOVE it! So that leaves you... on the outside... living your sad, sad little life. YOU don't GET me... EVER! So go fuck yourself!

I have to say, I really loved Piper in that cell, and not just her explosive anger at Healy.

I loved how lonely she got so quickly, how disgusted she was over her moldy bologna, how happy she was when she made contact with the voice through the ventilation grate, (was I the only one who thought Piper was talking to Suzanne through that grate?) how indignant she became as she argued over "how the power that the "man" wielded over the lives of the female convicts" corrupted them.

(That was my fav, she sounded like she was on the floor of her freshman dorm room, having a Tuesday night bull session / study group.)

Then our Smith college graduate Piper ran SMACK into reality.

This wasn't a rhetorical question she and her roomies were parsing in their dorm room, this was her LIFE and the woman on the other side of the vent had lived this way for NINE MONTHS... maybe A YEAR!

(Notice the graffiti on the wall next to Piper's head during this revelation... "YOU FOOL")

Piper: A year? That's insane.
Voice: They keep the lights on so you lose all sense of time. Its not living. I mean yeah... you're breathing... but you ain't no person anymore. Its bad, you start to see shit that ain't there... you start to hear voices...
Piper: Oh my god.
Voice: They keep you here until they break you.
Piper: (Piper visibly gulps) I feel like I'm going to throw up. (She's think about the righteous anger she spewed at Healy through the window) Why did I do that? Why did I say those things? He's never going to let me out of here. (And the woman who crossed Red on her first day has an epiphany) I am so fucking stupid. I am SO FUCKING STUPID! What's WRONG with me?
Voice: Are you still there?
Piper: I swear to God... (says the atheist) that if they let me out of here... ... ... I will shut up! I will shut up, and I will put my head down and I will do my time...And I will smile at Healy and (crying) I won't go near her. I won't even look at her. I can do that. I can do that. (her voice wobbles) I can. Please... PLEASE don't leave me here. Please.
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F*CKSGIVING ... concludes




Big Boo: No gravy? Why is there no gravy?
Red: Are you complaining?
Big Boo: No. No, no.

Perception is a powerful thing.

Creative Cal, Piper's camp-trailer living brother has "spent {his} entire life savings" on a Heritage Turkey and slaved all day in the kitchen to prepare Larry's et al's Thanksgiving complete with wine, gravy and shark tchotchkies on his "table-scape".

Segue to the cafeteria line where the prisoners are eating turkey parts (50 cents a pound), corn on the cobb, white potatoes, white bread without gravy... but they are thankful for it & for even more thankful each other.

Segue to Piper in her cell, looking at a slice of "prison loaf" which looks like 3 meals smushed together and formed into a mound per out Smith grad's observation. She looks less disgusted by it than that moldy bologna she was served earlier, but she still can't swallow it. Her distaste for the loaf is overshadowed, however, when she realizes the voice in the wall vent is silent

Seque to newly released Taystee who has arrived at her intended address to discover her "cousin" no longer lives there and she must beg for a spot to sleep on the floor, in an apt with 6 other people she never met before and a mattress leaning against the window to keep the rapists at bay.

Perception.

Its why crap that happens to you in the depths/ darkness/ cold of November is so much worse than when the same crap happens in the sunny warmth of July. (Northern hemisphere)

Larry, the long SUFFERING fiancé who has fought the good fight today to release his fiancée from the SHU, has not only conned his brother in law to be into cooking dinner, he's also secured himself a spot on an NPR program. Not bad for an unemployed writer before his fiancee went to prison

Alex, who has publically humiliated Pennsatucky by (YUCK!) French kissing her in the middle of the cafeteria and praised Tiffany's mastery of oral sex "last night" is in turn beset upon by the Appalachian meth heads who steal her mattress and break her glasses to get "back" at the rich bitch that towers over them.

And that makes Alex laugh.

She wasn't the rich bitch growing up. Alex was the fatherless child who's mother worked 4 jobs to feed, clothe and keep a roof over her head. A woman who managed to keep her head up high even if she didn't measure up in the eyes of her daughter's classmates.

Alex was the teenager from the wrong side of the tracks, who went in search of her rock & roll drummer father and discovered, as his manager told her, "Some people are better in the abstract".

We discover, once we meet the manager, how Alex got involved with the international drug cartel.

We (and Nicky) also discover some of the practical reasons why Alex targeted the young, rich white girls to be her drug mules.

Nicky makes a faux pas, however, when she laughs and asks if that was who Piper was... just another of Alex's drug mule conquests.

Alex: No, no... Piper was different.
Nicky: (Is she a little indignant here?) Why.. because you loved her?
Alex: Because she was different.

When Piper is finally released from SHU... she has that "10 foot stare" look... the look of a woman who's been trapped in an 8 foot room and isn't sure how to walk.

As she shuffles along, we are led to wonder about what happened in that room. Was she tested in fire and did it consume her?

Or was she hardened by the experience, and like Nietzche did it make her stronger.

She walks down the hall of her cell block ignoring everyone round her almost aimlessly. But the farther she walks into this familiar territory, the stronger she appears, her back straightens, her speed picks up, and now she has a goal, a direction, a plan.

Nicky: Holy shit, Chapman, you're out!

Piper ignores her, she hones in on Alex and takes her by the hand before spinning on her heel and leading Alex back out of the dorm.

Alex: My god!
Piper: Let's get out of here.
Alex: Are you okay?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP8_gbTaR4k

No she's not. Not yet.

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oh my god oh my god oh my god I just watched the last episode last night!!!

hurry up and get to it so we can talk about it!!
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something my husband and I were talking about....lesbians

why are there so many? We know that Alex was a lesbian going in and Piper was bisexual. But it seems that most of the women there are lesbians. Is it that being all together makes them turn to each other? People still crave companionship, comfort and love and since they're in a group of only women are they just turning to each other for those things? Or are they trying to say that lesbians are more predisposed to commiting crimes?
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oh my god oh my god oh my god I just watched the last episode last night!!!

hurry up and get to it so we can talk about it!!

You know... we can "talk" about any ep at any time.


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something my husband and I were talking about....lesbians

why are there so many? We know that Alex was a lesbian going in and Piper was bisexual. But it seems that most of the women there are lesbians. Is it that being all together makes them turn to each other? People still crave companionship, comfort and love and since they're in a group of only women are they just turning to each other for those things? Or are they trying to say that lesbians are more predisposed to commiting crimes?
I think the term is... "Gay for the stay".

All the articles I've read about diffences between the book and the TV show discuss that there wasn't much lesbian activity in Piper Kerman's experience in prison, so one assumes Jenji (sp?) added it for dramatic purposes the moment she decided to put Alex at the same prison as Piper.
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