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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old July 7 2014, 05:29 PM   #61
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Re: Star Trek TWOK Blue Ray oddity

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But the color timing issue is huge, much bigger than the clarity of the image. I mean, Regula has a blue tint, and the ships around it have the same blue tint. I'd rather watch my DVD than that any day. Screw HD if they can't get the colors right
In that case, you might like the HD transfer of the director's cut available on iTunes, original red color timing and all. It's an older transfer, but it's better looking than either of the DVDs.
That iTunes version may be the best answer for a lot of folks. Thanks.
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Old July 7 2014, 10:38 PM   #62
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I just don't understand how any one can say that "the blue-ray has the best image quality around for TWOK, except that nagging little bit about the color timing. Yeah but other than that, the blue Ray transfer is awesome."

WTF?

Is picture clarity for each fragment of a pixel so much more important than having planets and ships and people and sets not to be sploshed with a base coating of blue paint???
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Old July 7 2014, 10:42 PM   #63
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Re: Star Trek TWOK Blue Ray oddity

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I just don't understand how any one can say that "the blue-ray has the best image quality around for TWOK, except that nagging little bit about the color timing. Yeah but other than that, the blue Ray transfer is awesome."

WTF?

Is picture clarity for each fragment of a pixel so much more important than having planets and ships and people and sets not to be sploshed with a base coating of blue paint???
I'll take the color shift over the blurry 480i mess any day of the week.
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Old July 7 2014, 10:52 PM   #64
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Re: Star Trek TWOK Blue Ray oddity

Even on my wide\screen TV, the director's cut DVD looks fine. I like how it looks. And since it is an older film, maybe not having it be super-sharp like how new films are shot is part of it.

As soon as I put in my blue ray, I nearly vomit. There is a blue tint to the bridge scenes that was never there. The ships that orbit Regula have the same smeary blue look that the planetoid has.
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Old July 7 2014, 10:59 PM   #65
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But one thing that is strange is that all the films are the original theatrical versions but they use commentaries from the director editions.
It tries my patience knowing they could have invested a little more time and effort and we'd have had lovely branching versions of all the movies. Trek surely deserves as much love as the Alien franchise, none of the trek films are as bad as the latter half of that set!

Seems odd to complain about it (I bought them, albeit when they got cheap as I wanted hi def trek movies) but I'm not sure Trek fans will want to be buggered by Paramount forever.

Especially considering the "brave new world" of no physical media (it's happening people, your grandkids will look at a DVD like we look at papyrus) the old tangible possession obsession of us geeks will be old hat. Good, F**k you Paramount.
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Old July 7 2014, 11:06 PM   #66
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The ships that orbit Regula have the same smeary blue look that the planetoid has.
That could be because of the light given off by the Mutara Nebula. Which can't be all that far away since the Enterprise and Reliant both reach it on impulse power.

Whether it was originally that way or not, it does make a certain amount of sense. At least to me.
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Old July 7 2014, 11:14 PM   #67
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when they are orbiting Regula, they aren't in or near the Nebula yet. In fact, Meyer hasn't revealed at that point in the story that the nebula is nearby or that it's a plot point.

It just looks like they got really blue-happy. The films general feel was one of deep reds, and stark emotions.
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Old July 7 2014, 11:29 PM   #68
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when they are orbiting Regula, they aren't in or near the Nebula yet. In fact, Meyer hasn't revealed at that point in the story that the nebula is nearby or that it's a plot point.
But that wouldn't change the fact that, in-universe, it existed.
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Old July 7 2014, 11:36 PM   #69
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I just don't understand how any one can say that "the blue-ray has the best image quality around for TWOK, except that nagging little bit about the color timing. Yeah but other than that, the blue Ray transfer is awesome."

WTF?

Is picture clarity for each fragment of a pixel so much more important than having planets and ships and people and sets not to be sploshed with a base coating of blue paint???
The BD transfer is not "awesome" in the same eye popping way a disc like Avatar is. I don't think anyone is saying that. But it is a solid BD catalogue title that very, very comfortably trumps all previous home video editions.

Your statement reference "planets, people and sets sploshed with a base coating of blue paint" is just wrong and extremely misleading IMHO. I've watched the disc many times on a very large THX calibrated screen (extremely accurate "industry standard" colour/brightness/contrast) and see not the slightest hint of a blue push.

You obviously have the disc, or have seen it - could you direct me to a specific timecode where the "blue sploshing" is particularly noticeable? I'd be happy to admit I'm in the wrong.

The blooming reds of antecedent releases have been toned down a little, and yes, a couple of scenes (Regula) have been changed. Personally, I prefer the BD edition, but don't have a problem with the the other versions at all.
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Old July 8 2014, 02:17 AM   #70
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Re: Star Trek TWOK Blue Ray oddity

Maybe Meyer's vision has changed and he sees things slightly off color now. The correction for him makes it seem blue to us?
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Old July 8 2014, 02:45 AM   #71
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Re: Star Trek TWOK Blue Ray oddity

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I just don't understand how any one can say that "the blue-ray has the best image quality around for TWOK, except that nagging little bit about the color timing. Yeah but other than that, the blue Ray transfer is awesome."

WTF?

Is picture clarity for each fragment of a pixel so much more important than having planets and ships and people and sets not to be sploshed with a base coating of blue paint???
The BD transfer is not "awesome" in the same eye popping way a disc like Avatar is. I don't think anyone is saying that. But it is a solid BD catalogue title that very, very comfortably trumps all previous home video editions.

Your statement reference "planets, people and sets sploshed with a base coating of blue paint" is just wrong and extremely misleading IMHO. I've watched the disc many times on a very large THX calibrated screen (extremely accurate "industry standard" colour/brightness/contrast) and see not the slightest hint of a blue push.

You obviously have the disc, or have seen it - could you direct me to a specific timecode where the "blue sploshing" is particularly noticeable? I'd be happy to admit I'm in the wrong.

The blooming reds of antecedent releases have been toned down a little, and yes, a couple of scenes (Regula) have been changed. Personally, I prefer the BD edition, but don't have a problem with the the other versions at all.

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Old July 8 2014, 03:14 AM   #72
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Re: Star Trek TWOK Blue Ray oddity

Wow, that just looks awful.
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Old July 8 2014, 04:27 AM   #73
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another example:

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Old July 8 2014, 04:29 AM   #74
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The bottom version looks almost ok for a still shot, but it still looks so washed out, flush from whatever life Meyer and his team gave the scene.
But watching it as a moving image is even worse.
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Old July 8 2014, 03:42 PM   #75
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Re: Star Trek TWOK Blue Ray oddity

I completely understand why many would prefer the DVD colour timing - especially from the images you've posted. They are much higher contrast and the colours "pop" more, for some, that equates to a superior image. For me, I still maintain the reds are way OTT and certainly don't look "natural". My guess is the original version was also graded.

I don't agree at all the BD looks worse in motion, quite the opposite in fact. I can tell you, though, the 480i Director's Edition DVD looks like a mess on the screen in my cinema room - seriously, just horrible. We all have differing standards of acceptability in terms of what looks good, and if the DVD qualifies - that's great.

Screen caps are an extremely poor method for judging a DVD/Blu-ray IMO. So on that basis, I'm going to resist the urge to post some comparisons I believe clearly improve the original, because in all probability, it'll only spark a "caps war"!
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