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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old September 4 2014, 03:46 AM   #1
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The Films Revisited

Now that I've finished watching TOS and TAS in production order, it was now time to watch Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

I decided to watch The Director's Cut.

I love this movie though I do understand the valid criticisms of the film, particularly the original version.

Maybe it's because I remember more of the original version, but the pace seems much improved in The Director's Cut.

I've always said that I love the first hour of the film, and I love the climax. Everything in between was inconsistent. The Director's Cut solved some of the problems for me, to the point where I thoroughly enjoyed the film.

The special effects and soundtrack really give the Trek universe an epic scope not seen before or since. Never before has the Enterprise been so full of people. The Enterprise was like Grand Central Station, people walking rushed with a purpose.

It's a slower film, which is why Shatner's energy is an underrated and critical anchor for the film, balanced as usual by Nimoy and Kelley.

I loved Nimoy's performance. It's not the Spock we knew from the series, but I liked the build up to that. Kelley was good ol' Kelley. One of my favorite performances in the film and he's got some of the best lines.

I loved that great character moment between Kirk and Bones when Bones beams aboard for the first time with his beard.

Very elegantly made film, and the climax was one of my favorite, supported immeasurably by Jerry Goldsmith's score.

Granted, if someone is seeing a Star Trek film for the first time, I would NOT start with this one, but I do think certain people are capable of enjoying it.

I was surprised that my brother and his friends---not Trek fans who were unfamiliar with the films---liked this movie as much as they did.

Still a rewarding film for me.
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Old September 4 2014, 05:15 AM   #2
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The pacing, really the antithesis of the action-adventure approach of the television series, has never worked for me in any version of the movie (granted, the special longer version is the worst, the theatrical version is a little better, and the Director's Edition is a little better than that).

The score is magnificent, and helps carry a lot of the movie, but even the tighter Director's Cut could have twenty minutes taken out of it without losing anything essential.
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Old September 4 2014, 01:22 PM   #3
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I can totally understand the casual viewer (hell even a hardened fan) disliking TMP. It does have several issues that are deal breakers for a lot of people. There's something so special about it though, a majesty that the series never achieved again to my eyes.
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Old September 4 2014, 05:03 PM   #4
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I first saw TMP in the theater when I was about 8 or 9. I liked it better than Star Wars. For me, Star Trek the Motion Picture IS Star Trek. I had not really seen the TV show before hand so TMP was my first real introduction to it. I prefer the SLV version over the others. The DE is horrible.
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Old September 4 2014, 08:37 PM   #5
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EnriqueH wrote: View Post
Kelley was good ol' Kelley. One of my favorite performances in the film and he's got some of the best lines.
I love this movie, but did you ever notice he seems to walk onto the bridge a lot, say a line, and then walk off of the bridge?

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Old September 4 2014, 11:38 PM   #6
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Kelley was good ol' Kelley. One of my favorite performances in the film and he's got some of the best lines.
I love this movie, but did you ever notice he seems to walk onto the bridge a lot, say a line, and then walk off of the bridge?

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I did notice that THIS TIME.

He did it two or three times, right?

I thought it was more noticeable, perhaps, because it was The Director's Cut and that it trimmed the fat down to the point where it looked that way.

Was it that way in the other cuts too?
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Old September 5 2014, 01:58 AM   #7
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The score is magnificent, and helps carry a lot of the movie...
Well, to a point - although it used to carry the movie a lot farther for me than it now does. This isn't because the score hasn't worn well, but rather because the story and other flaws have grown more annoying over time and the music can no longer fully balance them out.

(Saw the theatrical version, twice, at the big-screen Fox theater in center-city Philadelphia, across the street from City Hall and torn down in 1980, as well as the ABC broadcast version and the director's cut DVD, which I own, along with the 8-track tape cartridge of the soundtrack LP - and a working player. I'm halfway to deciding to purchase the multi-CD TMP soundtrack I've read about at this site, the set that includes orchestrated early drafts.)
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Old September 5 2014, 05:06 AM   #8
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I'm halfway to deciding to purchase the multi-CD TMP soundtrack I've read about at this site, the set that includes orchestrated early drafts.
It's terrific and well worth picking up. If I could only keep one, I'd dump my copy of the film and keep my copy of the soundtrack in a heartbeat.
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Old September 6 2014, 11:28 PM   #9
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Just saw TWOK.

Although IV is my favorite (III was my favorite too at one point), this is the best one.

Love the battle scenes, the music really punches up the emotional wallop of the film, lots of great character moments. Ricardo Montalban is my favorite on screen villain ever along with Darth Vader.

I always wondered why we never saw the Enterprise firing phasers again.

Because I'm so familiar with the action, I tried to pay more attention to the characters and their character moments.

This is my favorite Leonard Nimoy performance as Spock. He seems to have struck a balance between embracing his Vulcan side and being at peace with his human side. It's a wonderful culmination of his character's growth over the years.

DeForest Kelley is the heart of the cast. I can still feel emotional tears well up in my eyes as McCoy tries to talk Spock out of entering the radiation chamber.

Y'know, after watching these movies OVER AND OVER AND OVER, it's easy to fall into the same emotional patterns that you're used to feeling when watching these films and not really question what's going on, but...

I loved the chemistry between Shatner and Bibi Besch's Carol Marcus. I always wondered why we didn't see her return in III, IV or any of the subsequent films. She SHOULD have been included in at least one or two more scenes to give her character a bit more send off.

I'm finishing reading DeForest Kelley's biography and there's a mention that Kelley was disappointed that McCoy didn't get a scene with Kirk to talk about Spock's death.

While I think the scene with David was a nice scene, showcasing Kirk "all grown up", embracing his adulthood and his future years, I can't help but feel a mild sense of loss or at least a little intrigue at the possibility of a Kirk-McCoy scene.
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Old September 7 2014, 04:00 AM   #10
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gottacook wrote: View Post
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The score is magnificent, and helps carry a lot of the movie...
Well, to a point - although it used to carry the movie a lot farther for me than it now does. This isn't because the score hasn't worn well, but rather because the story and other flaws have grown more annoying over time and the music can no longer fully balance them out.

(Saw the theatrical version, twice, at the big-screen Fox theater in center-city Philadelphia, across the street from City Hall and torn down in 1980, as well as the ABC broadcast version and the director's cut DVD, which I own, along with the 8-track tape cartridge of the soundtrack LP - and a working player. I'm halfway to deciding to purchase the multi-CD TMP soundtrack I've read about at this site, the set that includes orchestrated early drafts.)
LOVE that you not only have the 8-track, but a working player, to boot!!!...
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Old September 7 2014, 04:11 AM   #11
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Good thread! I would tell newcomers to start with TMP even though I'd tell them that it's really the opposite of Star Wars type action-adventure. The special effects still look great, especially the way they do the scale on the D7 and the Enterprise. I think the movie-era Federation ships are the ugliest in all of Star Trek, but you don't really notice it in this one because of the way it's shot. I saw the movie as a kid (before the DS9 premier) and even though I didn't understand everything then, it blew me away. The funny thing is that it's really true in tone to TOS and what I think Trek is supposed to be in general. Everything from the D7 being destroyed, to the horrifying transporter accident, to the Voyager reveal at the end...it's all great.
Chekov and the uniforms are annoying, yes. I'll give you that one.

I did show Wrath of Khan to some non-Trek fans and they thought it was good. I think it's the best representation of a simple war story in the Trek universe. Yeah the DS9 battles are a lot more fun to look at, but you have to put a huge investment into watching the series (or most of it anyway) to really appreciate their importance to the story. Khan is just so well paced, plus unlike things like Star Wars or BSG, Trek battles are more about being measured out before they come to a head...and then they're over with pretty quickly.
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Old September 10 2014, 07:26 PM   #12
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I also think TMP is underrated, especially the director's cut. I give it a lot of props for being the only Trek film with a high concept scf-fi idea at its core and really following through with that idea in an interesting way. It is hard to compare to the other TOS films because they focused so much on being character/action driven.
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Old September 12 2014, 10:21 AM   #13
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If we're going to discuss the whole series, I guess it's time to give them all a re-watch. The thing about Trek anything is that I can watch them all a lot of times without really getting tired of them. I'm completely the opposite with any other movie or show. Maybe not so much with Wrath of Khan - it's my favorite overall so I watch it the least.

First of all, I hate the Odds and Evens rule. I don't really like any cliche, especially one that discourages forming your own opinion. The only Trek movies that I think are bad are 4 and 5, but I still like watching 5 - it has great unintentional comedy, like Spock's Wile-E-Coyote boots and that classic Earth hymn about rowing a boat. The personal scenes between the big three are outstanding here.
After that, I think that part 6 is a great looking film with a mediocre plot. The acting is fantastic, especially on the part of the Klingon characters. It's also good to see Sulu as a Captain and how surprisingly stern he is.
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Old September 12 2014, 10:25 AM   #14
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Funny that as thats one of the reasons I love TUC. I like that they kept it simple, tight and let the characters shine in their roles.
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Old September 14 2014, 01:56 PM   #15
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I saw TSFS again a couple of days back.

It's really one of my favorites. It's the second film I ever saw in the theater (Return of the Jedi being the first).

I missed Bibi Besch and Kirstie Alley. Even if they couldn't think of much to do for Besch, she should've at least had a cameo or some scene writing her out of the series.

I thought Robin Curtis did a fine job. She's colder, more scientific, less sexy, (though not unattractive in her own way).

Stealing of the Enterprise is my favorite segment of ANY Trek film. Loved the Klingons. Loved the music.

This is usually tied at #1 for favorite Trek film with Trek IV.
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