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Old August 4 2013, 09:12 PM   #1
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X-Men (2000) vs. First Class and Origins: Wolverine

If I am to understand things correctly all of the X-Men movies we've had so-far take place "in the same universe" which is fine and good but between the different directors and the 13 year time span between X-Men and The Wolverine the consistencies seem... muddy.

For all intents and purposes it seems that end of "Origins: Wolverine" take place in 1979. I say that as I'm guessing the incident at the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant was "covered up" as being the partial meltdown that happened there in that year. Granted, that's pure speculation but the time of the movie is hard to pin down as it seems not too much attention was paid to trying to establish a time-period.

So in "X-Men" Professor-X suggests that Wolverine has been drifting on his own for "15 years." We'll ignore that the movie claims to take place in "the not too distant future" (or by that it's speaking in a matter of days, weeks or maybe months.) But Wolverine has been drifting on his own for probably closer to 20 years. (TMI incident: 1979, X-Men: 2000.)

In X-Men Professor-X says he was 17 when he met Magneto but in "First Class" Charles Xavier is in his early 20s/in college when he meets Magneto and, of course, the big one being the movie seems to take place over the course of months maybe at the end of which Xavier ends up crippled and he and Magneto gone their different ways.

We see a teenage Scott Summers in Origins (again, 1979) but he certainly doesn't seem to be man pushing 40 in X-Men and, well, we could go on and on.

You know, maybe this movie series needs a huge reboot in order to make consistency here.

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Old August 4 2013, 09:51 PM   #2
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Re: X-Men (2000) vs. First Class and Origins: Wolverine

Just ignore Origins. Even the studio seems to be.

If not for anything, it's one of the most incompetently made blockbuster productions in decades. I don't think we should be analyzing its script for "consistency."

Then again, I thought "The Wolverine's" script was pretty terrible, too...so what do I know?
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Old August 5 2013, 12:15 AM   #3
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Re: X-Men (2000) vs. First Class and Origins: Wolverine

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Even the studio seems to be.
No. That was what some people wanted, but it didn't happen.

With the new movie mentioning Kayla, showing a WWII flashback and having bone claws all over the place, they're hardly ignoring Origins.
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Old August 5 2013, 12:23 AM   #4
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Re: X-Men (2000) vs. First Class and Origins: Wolverine

Ignore all dates in the X-Films. It doesn't fix all the problems, but it helps.
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Old August 5 2013, 01:05 AM   #5
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Re: X-Men (2000) vs. First Class and Origins: Wolverine

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No. That was what some people wanted, but it didn't happen.

With the new movie mentioning Kayla, showing a WWII flashback and having bone claws all over the place, they're hardly ignoring Origins.
Ha, gotta include its inclusion in future blu combo packs somehow, I guess. Fifty cents to manufacture an extra disc, another five bucks to the sticker price.


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We see a teenage Scott Summers in Origins (again, 1979) but he certainly doesn't seem to be man pushing 40 in X-Men and, well, we could go on and on.
C'mon, man, every X-fan worth his or her adamantium knows about that one time Cyke brawled with the Timekeeper and was rifted forward two decades.

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Old August 5 2013, 01:08 AM   #6
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Re: X-Men (2000) vs. First Class and Origins: Wolverine

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Even the studio seems to be.
With the new movie mentioning Kayla, showing a WWII flashback and having bone claws all over the place, they're hardly ignoring Origins.
Damn, that's right.

Damn.
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Old August 5 2013, 02:35 AM   #7
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Re: X-Men (2000) vs. First Class and Origins: Wolverine

It gets even worse if we assume that those distinctive-looking kids we saw in the Cerebro sequence in FC were supposed to be Scott, Jean, and Ororo...in 1962.

Honestly, the whole subject just doesn't bear close scrutiny. Who knows, with the coming film being based around time travel, maybe they'll work in some sort of fix...but I doubt it.
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Old August 5 2013, 02:49 AM   #8
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Ha, gotta include its inclusion in future blu combo packs somehow, I guess. Fifty cents to manufacture an extra disc, another five bucks to the sticker price.
Whatever you gotta tell yourself.

Rearguard actions are so cute...
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Old August 5 2013, 04:50 AM   #9
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Re: X-Men (2000) vs. First Class and Origins: Wolverine

Hey, I think XMO:W gets a bad rap. Start watching it about halfway in, and you've got yourself a fairly decent flick. I even found the climax kinda moving, as I'm a total sucker for seeing cute girls escape captivity. I'll happily watch it over the more polished yet far more depressing missed potential of The X-Men Film That Shall Not Be Named any day.

That said, I'm sure that even those that made it know that that first hour is crap on a stick.
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Old August 5 2013, 04:50 AM   #10
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Re: X-Men (2000) vs. First Class and Origins: Wolverine

First Class i feel is the best movie of the 3. Story, direction and action are all excellent.

Next I give X-Men Origins. It wins out over X-Men because Origins paints a better picture of mutants. Not all mutants are restrained and responsible with their powers. The mutants in Origins are irresponsible and don't care how they use their powers or how they effect people around them. Sure the action is WAY over the top, but I'd rather that than X-Men (2000) second stringer Brotherhood of Mutants vs a superior X-Men team.
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Old August 5 2013, 05:10 AM   #11
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Hey, I think XMO:W gets a bad rap.
Yeah, but only because it's so crappy.
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Old August 5 2013, 05:16 AM   #12
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X-Men Origins is right up there with Revenge of the Fallen in terms of crappiness I agree. However I prefer them each over X-Men 2000 and Transformers 1.

With them I only ask to be entertained. The moment i turn on my critic or nerd rage cap I get frustrated.
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Old August 5 2013, 06:06 AM   #13
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The next new XMen movie will have time travel and fix everything.
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Old August 5 2013, 06:07 AM   #14
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Hey, I think XMO:W gets a bad rap. Start watching it about halfway in, and you've got yourself a fairly decent flick. I even found the climax kinda moving, as I'm a total sucker for seeing cute girls escape captivity. I'll happily watch it over the more polished yet far more depressing missed potential of The X-Men Film That Shall Not Be Named any day.

That said, I'm sure that even those that made it know that that first hour is crap on a stick.
which cute girl are your referring to?
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Old August 5 2013, 07:49 AM   #15
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Re: X-Men (2000) vs. First Class and Origins: Wolverine

Eh, people get older and remember dates and facts wrong, so Professor X could be just guesstimating. The dates are roughly close enough. Overall, I still see all movies tied into a grand story. It seems like DOFP is like a sequel to both First Class and X-Men 3.
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