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Old June 13 2014, 04:49 AM   #1306
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Re: Cosmos - With Neil deGrasse Tyson

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^ Tootles.

I have to spend the day at home while the windows in the apartment are replaced. I figure it's a good opportunity to start rewatching the series. The more I reflect on it, the more the animated segments have grown on me. It'll be interesting to see if that new appreciation holds up on a second watch.
I have loved the animated segments from day one. I guess I appreciate them a little bit more than the live action sequences. Plus, Patrick Stewart voiced one of the characters, which makes it all awesome.
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Old June 13 2014, 09:28 AM   #1307
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I really need to get the Blu-Ray set.
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Old June 13 2014, 11:38 AM   #1308
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Well, all I managed yesterday was the first episode (too hectic). But ... wow ... on BR it's absolutely beautiful. Gorgeous. Having seen the entire series, and knowing how it turns out, seeing the introduction to it all is all the more special.

And yes, Neil's story about Carl was still just as moving.
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Old June 13 2014, 03:49 PM   #1309
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You're not making the distinction between short term (decade-length) variance and long term climate change. You're paying attention to the dog on the leash, not the path the man is walking.
No I'm not, look at the blue line.



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Why is everybody still arguing with g over this? He's either a troll or stuck on stupid. Either way, I'd rather just bask in this series' awesomeness. regardless of any supposed agenda.
Bask away.

But the agenda was promoted by lie in the series. Just be aware.

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I don't get it either.

I mean, even if you do convince him to get his head out of his ass, what does it accomplish?
Who is "him"?
If you can't even keep up with a simple conversation, especially when you quote the post that was immediately preceding the one you're asking the question about, why bother wasting the virtual breath trying to explain it to you?
Just walk away. You are contributing nothing to this conversation.

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There have been no lies in the series.
That's just false. Take of your climate change armegeddon binders and critique this series honestly.

Start with Bruno. It's all over the internet, just google it.
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Old June 13 2014, 05:23 PM   #1310
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You're not making the distinction between short term (decade-length) variance and long term climate change. You're paying attention to the dog on the leash, not the path the man is walking.
No I'm not, look at the blue line.
Yes, you really are. If you're referring only to decade-length data within the overall graph, then yes, you're losing the forest for the trees. Take a look at that long-term rise in the blue line. That is the CO2-driven climate change.

I don't think there's a clearer visual representation of that long-term change. Thank you for providing it.
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There have been no lies in the series.
That's just false. Take of your climate change armegeddon binders and critique this series honestly.

Start with Bruno. It's all over the internet, just google it.
Then find one of those lies and share it here. Please, provide sources, too.
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Old June 13 2014, 06:00 PM   #1311
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Re: Cosmos - With Neil deGrasse Tyson

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Yes, you really are. If you're referring only to decade-length data within the overall graph, then yes, you're losing the forest for the trees. Take a look at that long-term rise in the blue line. That is the CO2-driven climate change.

I don't think there's a clearer visual representation of that long-term change. Thank you for providing it.
I never siad there wasn't long term change.

I'm saying and have always said the sky isn't falling.

... wonder how those trends went down during the industrial revolution...

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There have been no lies in the series.
That's just false. Take of your climate change armegeddon binders and critique this series honestly.

Start with Bruno. It's all over the internet, just google it.
Then find one of those lies and share it here. Please, provide sources, too.
Just read this thread. It's not like you'll accept them anyways...
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Old June 13 2014, 07:28 PM   #1312
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I never siad there wasn't long term change.

I'm saying and have always said the sky isn't falling.
And who, exactly has said, "The sky is falling"? Speaking plainly and soberly about climate change - acknowledging that it is happening at what the long term effects are likely to be is the responsible discussion most scientists (and people here) are having.

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... wonder how those trends went down during the industrial revolution...
More fixation on the dog on the leash ...

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Then find one of those lies and share it here. Please, provide sources, too.
Just read this thread. It's not like you'll accept them anyways...
Not with unsupported, vague assertions. Please provide the exact quote (including the episode and time) from Cosmos and the evidence proving it was a "lie." Otherwise, I absolutely will not accept the claim as valid.
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Old June 14 2014, 12:22 AM   #1313
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Even Galileo, who was persecuted by the Church and knew Bruno, didn't make the leap that Bruno was somehow a martyr for science. Aside from worshiping the Egyptian god Thoth, Bruno wanted to lead a vast army in a religious war against Christians.

In another episode Tyson talks about the early Chinese philosopher Mozi who wrote an anti-religious book called "Against Faith" which advocated rationalism over religion. Unfortunately, Mozi's essay (not book) was "Against FATE" and was an argument against fatalism. In fact, Mozi founded a monotheistic religion, and may be the only Chinese philosopher to do so.

Regarding Hypatia, who Cosmos claimed was killed by Christians in Alexandria because she was a pagan scientist, the only known source says the mob killed her because they thought she was poisoning the well of reconciliation between the Christian Roman governor and a bishop (Cyril) who was defending the Jews in a Christian/Jewish dispute.

According to Cosmos, her death was shortly after the destruction of the Great Library in Alexandria in 391 AD by a Christian mob, which is odd because it was actually destroyed in 47 or 48 BC, which makes the Christian mob story rather unlikely.

And we don't know that Venus ever had an ocean, and will probably never know because it got resurfaced by volcanic activity. We also don't know that the Earth's oceans were entirely boiled away, repeatedly, and indeed we can rule that out because it would take an impactor that would make Chicxulub look like a BB. But of course he needed the ridiculously large (and scientifically indefensible) impact so he could make his panspermia lines seem viable.

I suppose that if NGT's multiverse is correct, there must be a universe where Cosmos didn't just make stuff up.
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Old June 14 2014, 12:47 AM   #1314
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Not worth it gt.

They actually think that comparing current climate conditions to a period in earth's history is level headed rational discussion.
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Old June 14 2014, 01:36 AM   #1315
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Even Galileo, who was persecuted by the Church and knew Bruno, didn't make the leap that Bruno was somehow a martyr for science. Aside from worshiping the Egyptian god Thoth, Bruno wanted to lead a vast army in a religious war against Christians.

In another episode Tyson talks about the early Chinese philosopher Mozi who wrote an anti-religious book called "Against Faith" which advocated rationalism over religion. Unfortunately, Mozi's essay (not book) was "Against FATE" and was an argument against fatalism. In fact, Mozi founded a monotheistic religion, and may be the only Chinese philosopher to do so.

Regarding Hypatia, who Cosmos claimed was killed by Christians in Alexandria because she was a pagan scientist, the only known source says the mob killed her because they thought she was poisoning the well of reconciliation between the Christian Roman governor and a bishop (Cyril) who was defending the Jews in a Christian/Jewish dispute.

According to Cosmos, her death was shortly after the destruction of the Great Library in Alexandria in 391 AD by a Christian mob, which is odd because it was actually destroyed in 47 or 48 BC, which makes the Christian mob story rather unlikely.

And we don't know that Venus ever had an ocean, and will probably never know because it got resurfaced by volcanic activity. We also don't know that the Earth's oceans were entirely boiled away, repeatedly, and indeed we can rule that out because it would take an impactor that would make Chicxulub look like a BB. But of course he needed the ridiculously large (and scientifically indefensible) impact so he could make his panspermia lines seem viable.

I suppose that if NGT's multiverse is correct, there must be a universe where Cosmos didn't just make stuff up.
The direct quotes from the series to support all of these assertions are ... where?

If I had to guess, they're probably where all the missing sources that belonged in the others posts ended up, too.
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Old June 14 2014, 02:49 AM   #1316
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I'm assuming you were off making popcorn when those segments were aired.
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Old June 14 2014, 03:16 AM   #1317
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Quotes (with timestamps), please.
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Old June 14 2014, 03:49 AM   #1318
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So you don't believe that the topics hotly discussed in this thread after an episode aired were actually discussed?
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Old June 14 2014, 03:51 AM   #1319
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I really need to get the Blu-Ray set.
They have it on Amazon for $29 right now.
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Old June 14 2014, 04:06 AM   #1320
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So you don't believe that the topics hotly discussed in this thread after an episode aired were actually discussed?
I don't believe any characterization of Cosmos in your posts. Your posts routinely distort truth, resort to hyperbole, and are entirely unsupported by factual sources. Your posts have made broad, sweeping claims about what the series stated on a number of points, and I'm asking for those posts to provide the exact quotes in question.

See, that would be the scientific approach: claims supported with actual, verifiable evidence.

Otherwise, I believe your posts are thoroughly mischaracterizing, distorting, or are quite simply are wrong about what was actually stated in the show.

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I really need to get the Blu-Ray set.
They have it on Amazon for $29 right now.
It's a wonderful investment. As much as I enjoyed it the first time through, the series is even better on a rewatch - on Blu-Ray, sans commercial breaks. It really is highly compelling science.
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