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Old July 22 2013, 06:50 PM   #31
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Re: Vic Fontaine

Who wants to see Nog getting massaged by Tina Fey? Ew. And space dives in a television series wouldn't be all that fun to watch for more than about 30 seconds. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see a 15-minute space dive sequence in the next JJ film. Talk about mind-numbing.
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Old July 22 2013, 07:19 PM   #32
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Re: Vic Fontaine

I'm shocked at the lack of love for Vic !
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Old July 22 2013, 07:36 PM   #33
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The examples I gave were just what I'd be into. But I think we can agree that in an fictional environment where you can change reality to suit your whims, there's better stuff to do than listen to some assface like Fontaine sing.
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Old July 25 2013, 05:56 PM   #34
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Re: Vic Fontaine

Ok...which was overused more in the final season--- Vic or the Alamo?

I personally don't think Vic was overused since he wasn't introduced until really, really late in the show's run. Also it says on IMDB he was only in 8 episodes. Not so much, I think, compared to some other recurring DS9 characters.
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Old July 25 2013, 06:29 PM   #35
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I don't like the idea of Vic, but I do like the character, mostly: he was kinda a Marty Stu. I do think there was way too much emphasis on him, when they had Ezri to get caught up with as well.

And who else thinks Sisko was secretly going in there, getting singing lessons from Vic? It seemed really random that Vic just invited him to sing that one time, and that he knew the song.
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Old July 25 2013, 06:30 PM   #36
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Ok...which was overused more in the final season--- Vic or the Alamo?

I personally don't think Vic was overused since he wasn't introduced until really, really late in the show's run. Also it says on IMDB he was only in 8 episodes. Not so much, I think, compared to some other recurring DS9 characters.
Being a Texan, I adored the Alamo references in season 7. I never thought it was over used and the scenes were more about Bashir and O'brien bonding than actually -what- they were doing. I love how they were arguing about Davy Crockett's demise, and Worf just intercedes with a Klingon anecdote completely relevant to the Kor episode it was in. But yes, I'm not the most objective person there.
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Old July 28 2013, 03:13 PM   #37
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I rewatched Badda Bing, Badda Bang, and although I am still not entirely sold on Vic, I can make peace with the character's purpose. Functionally, I still think it was a poor replacement for the nightclub that the station needed. However, Vic's is about as close to watching TV that would ever occur in the 24th century (except Tom Paris literally watching old TV shows). TNG went to such an extreme to make holographic programs seem less like entertainment: they were interactive; they involved the creative input of the players; they referenced literature and historical events; and they involved real physical activity. The holodeck seemed like an extension of the "bettering oneself" paradigm that supposedly informed work. Vic's had its interactive elements, but the program was more clearly downtime: a relaxation, a diversion. People dressed up, but they always came as themselves. The attachment the characters had for Vic seems more like how the audience feels about TV characters.

So, I can live with Vic. I could have done with something else, but his character was not the worst filler.
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Old July 28 2013, 04:02 PM   #38
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I don't like the character as such. He has that continuously smiling attitude that annoys me very much, but in a way he grows at you and after I had seen some more episodes with him I really began to like them.
So once you get used to him and his attitude, he is not bad and the way he got Nog back on his feet gave the character some - if not that much - more depth, so I think he's alright.

About the setting and the obsession with the program. I know people who spend a lot of their time reenacting historic battles or something like that, so why not? And it works as a distraction from the war.

And about popular culture. There's that bajoran musician coming to the station once, the Ferengi have already been mentioned and I probably find some more examples.
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Old July 28 2013, 05:29 PM   #39
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I like Vic!

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. . .Plus no one on the DS9 crew slept with Vic.
Yeah, but I think Nog was getting close to it during that time he crashed at Vic's place for a week.
I got the same impression.

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I don't mind Vic as a character, it's the idea that 24th-century people will all be obsessed with 20th-century Earth that bothers me. Why isn't anyone ever nostalgic about 22nd-century Betazed, or 19th-century Romulus?
How do you know there aren't groups of people who aren't nostalgic about 22nd-century Betazed, or 19th-century Romulus? And there probably will be people in the 24th century who are interested in the 20th century culture.

There are all sorts of re-enactment groups. And even hundreds of years ago there were themed costume balls where everyone would dress up like ancient Romans or something.

There was a HUGE craze for all things ancient Egypt in the late 19th century.

Plenty of people are interested in history, and there always will be an interest.

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I didn't care for Vic. I'm not a fan of the 1960s era of entertainment of cheesy lounge singers and guady decor.

I watched DS9 for Star Trek, sci-fi, and space battles. If I wanted cheese I'd watch an old Rat Pack movie or listen to some Frank Sinatra crap.

But that's just me. To each his own.
Everyone has their own tastes. I love the Rat Pack! I like Frankie so much that I bought an Mp3 album at Amazon called: Nothing But The Best [The Frank Sinatra Collection] so I can listen to his music anytime I like.
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Old July 28 2013, 05:35 PM   #40
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I don't like the character as such. He has that continuously smiling attitude that annoys me very much, but in a way he grows at you and after I had seen some more episodes with him I really began to like them.
So once you get used to him and his attitude, he is not bad and the way he got Nog back on his feet gave the character some - if not that much - more depth, so I think he's alright.

About the setting and the obsession with the program. I know people who spend a lot of their time reenacting historic battles or something like that, so why not? And it works as a distraction from the war.

And about popular culture. There's that bajoran musician coming to the station once, the Ferengi have already been mentioned and I probably find some more examples.
I loved the concept of an Ocean's 11 type scenario, I'm just disapointed they had to use Vic to do it with. Quark vs Brunt with the DS9 crew backing him in a heist scenario like that would be much more fulfilling.
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Old July 28 2013, 06:54 PM   #41
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His singing The Way You Look Tonight in the finale moved me, and I liked his relationship with Nog.

Like Ezri, the hate is way over the top. These aren't bad characters, they just got too much focus in the final season at the expense of others.

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It's too bad Vic wasn't patterned after... Peter Gabriel.
Would have liked this. I'm a huge Genesis aficionado .
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Old July 28 2013, 07:46 PM   #42
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Then Quark devotes his entire holosuite to just Vic Fontaine's program?
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It was Quark's decision to keep Vic's program running continuously IIRC.
Consider Professor James Moriarty and Countess Regina Bartholomew who after Ship in a Bottle spent the rest of their lifes living (unknowingly) inside of a computer module, they didn't need a holodeck to live their lives.

And it was the same way with Vic, he continuiously experiences his life in 1962 Las Vegas because his program is running 26 hours a day. However it wasn't neceassary for the holosuite to be playing that program all that time. None of the holosuites is dedicated to the program, the suite (all of them) can be used from other holoprograms, even while Vic's program is ongoing.

Vic's program only occupies a holosuite when someone want to enter it.

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Old July 29 2013, 07:21 PM   #43
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HATED Vic. Hated his small scenes in otherwise good episodes, REALLY hated episodes where he got a lot of screen-time. The singing was mind-numbing, the idea that anyone in the 20th century would give a shit about him was stupid, thinking that 24th century folks would give a shit was even dumber.
Whoaaa that's a lot of hate. Just because you don't like him or his music doesn't mean other people can't. Go ahead and hate Vic all you want but you could hold back a little on the rest of it. You hate him. Good for you. Some people like him. Big deal. Get over it.

I liked him. I thought he brought variety to the show and he was cool and funny. He wasn't overused in the least. He came in at the end of the series and was in a few episodes. Big deal.

Plus I'm a sucker for any kind of jazz.
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Old September 26 2013, 04:04 PM   #44
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Vic episodes tend to be among my favorites. "It's only a Paper Moon" and "His Way" are up in my top 5 "feel good" episodes along with "Trials and Tribulations". "Little green men" and "Take me out to the Holosuite" for when I just want something light and familiar.

It doesn't hurt that I grew up with and have a fondness for those Sinatra tunes he sings.
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Old September 29 2013, 10:38 AM   #45
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It was Quark's decision to keep Vic's program running continuously IIRC.
I thought it was Vic's request, and that someone (Sisko?) had to convince Quark to go along with it. Or did I imagine that scene?
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