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Old July 21 2013, 04:47 AM   #106
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On another note, I don't get what Marvel is doing. Rebooting Spider-Man? Another Wolverine movie? Another X-Men movie in the works?

Really, slow down. Don't pump movies out just because you can, but make something that is really good. The bottom line won't suffer. On the contrary, less is more. It will pay off in the end.
Sony makes the Spider-Man movies; 20th-Century Fox makes the X-Men and Wolverine movies. They're making their own decisions to proceed with these projects independently of Marvel Studios; in fact, the reason they keep these franchises in production is specifically to keep the rights from reverting to Marvel through disuse. (Which is why Fox is also developing a new Fantastic Four movie.) But since we've got three studios separately making Marvel movies, it means that each individual studio isn't splitting its attention as much, so the quality doesn't necessarily suffer.

And while I have mixed feelings about what I'm hearing regarding Amazing Spider-Man 2 (I liked the first one's different tone and approach, but now it sounds like they're reverting to something more like the Raimi films), the previews and buzz about The Wolverine and Days of Future Past are very, very encouraging. Mainstream critics are less than thrilled by TW, but genre fans are saying it's potentially the best film in the franchise so far. And the news about DoFP keeps getting more and more interesting, although it's packed with so many characters and ideas that it might be tricky to make it all work.
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Old July 21 2013, 04:59 AM   #107
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Re: ‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

Just a minor correction. It's not Batman's boot on Superman's neck. It's "my hand... ...at your throat".
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Old July 21 2013, 05:07 AM   #108
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Video of announcement at Comic Con



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2spdUrYi6-c

Now, let's hope WB doesn't disappoint us when the actual movie is released!
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Old July 21 2013, 05:20 AM   #109
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Christopher Nolan and Emma Thomas will be Executive Producers on the next film, while Charles Roven and Deborah Snyder will be the producers. Nolan and Thomas probably won't have all that much to do with the production, but they'll likely have some input into the script.
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Old July 21 2013, 06:33 AM   #110
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It's too soon to do a Batman reboot movie, so bringing the character back this way is clever.

Superman vs. Batman, hopefully it will be better than King Kong vs. Godzilla (not that I have actually seen that latter movie).
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Old July 21 2013, 08:16 AM   #111
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Old July 21 2013, 10:07 AM   #112
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I still say this version of Superman needs a lot more character development and time to get fully fleshed out before they toss an iconic character like Batman at him. He was overshadowed enough by Jor-El's presence and the CGI battles. Cavill deserved a chance at that.
Yeah I would have preferred seeing a standard MOS sequel as well, but I still think Superman comes across as fully-formed enough by the end of the first movie. We finally saw a confidence in him that had been lacking through much of the movie, and the smile at the end suggested he was ready to start his new life.

All that's really left is to establish his secret identity and whatever kind of relationship he has with Lois, which I'm sure this sequel will have no problem doing.

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I simply can't believe how DC is so far behind everything. They should have had a Justice League movie in the vein of Avengers five years before Avengers came out. They have the most iconic characters as far as society overall is concerned.
Yeah but they're also much harder to translate to film. And a Justice League movie would have to use a very different tone than the jokey, Whedon-esque style being used for the Avengers.

My guess is they'll try to take the grounded, documentary style approach Snyder used in MOS, and stretch that across all the DC movies (much like the comic booky style that's being used for all the Marvel movies). I know not everyone was a fan, but I thought it worked great, and is probably the best way to put all these iconic characters in the same room and make it seem believable.
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Old July 21 2013, 10:51 AM   #113
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I'm not sure how you'd do it---we'll definitely have a great discussion about that---but I can't wait to see a World's Finest movie.
Sounds like a good idea to me, we will just have to wait and see the results.
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Old July 21 2013, 11:05 AM   #114
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Perhaps it'll just be a cameo. Batman is scaling up a wall on his way to fight crime and a window opens and Superman leans out to say hello :-). On a serious note I too wish that they would do a solo MOS2 and if they're going to recast the role, a solo Batman film first, failing that, get Bale back. Even if this is only 'inspired by' DKR (which to me is highly over-rated if the recent 2 part animated adaption is anything to go by), it doesn't make sense to me to put a recast Batman in there, it needs to be Bale. And I agree with the poster who referenced Dark Knight Over Metropolis.
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Old July 21 2013, 11:16 AM   #115
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What kind of enemy could force a team-up of Batman and Superman? Let's go back into David Goyer's filmography for a clue. Goyer was one of the writers of the cult classic Dark City (1998). "The Strangers" (the villains of the film) were mysterious extraterrestrials possessing powerful technology and psychic abilities. They would be the right type of adversary for Superman and Batman. I believe that Goyer's experience with Dark City can positively influence his ideas for Batman/Superman.
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Old July 21 2013, 12:03 PM   #116
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Remember this week when there were rumours of a live-action Batman Beyond movie? Neither do WB apparently!

I remember when there was to be a Richard Donner-directed WF movie with Mel Gibson as Bats and Daniel Day-Lewis as Supes, then the Wolfang Peterson take with Jude Law and Colin Farrell, or forgetting George Miller's JLA movie. So I'm a tad wary of this but obviously they're a lot closer to being able to make this than they were with the other projects. All that's really needed is a to cast a Batman (and possibly an Alfred or Gordon, depending on how much of the Batman mythos this will involve).

I note that while the press release describes this as the sequel to MOS, Goyer is saying he doesn't know what it will be called. Personally, I think when you have a logo that includes the Batsymbol and you're putting Batman in the movie, it's big MOS2, it's a co-headlining film. This isn't like putting Robin in a Batman sequel or War Machine in Iron Man 2. Batman has been DC and WB's biggest earner over the years for 1/4 century and he's not going to be a cameo or supporting character in this movie. When, if at all, will we see a new solo Superman movie?

I have a sneaking suspicion that this move reflects some disappointment on WB's part with MOS' earnings. It is of course a big hit but before its release, they thought it would be their biggest ever movie (http://variety.com/2013/film/news/wa...an-1200493334/). It doesn't look likely to join the billion-dollar club. I can't help but feel that while it is clearly successful enough to warrant a sequel, WB have decided that the best way to maximise income is to bring in the assured box-office pull of the Dark Knight. And simultaneously relaunch that hero on the big screen.

In doing so, they are neither replicating Marvel's approach with the solo movies leading up to an Avengers/JLA epic nor are they taking the gamble of one film being used to introduce and launch all of their heroes at once. This approach strikes me as very sensible and shrewd and if this film is a hit, it will springboard new Batman films and probably set up a JLA one. Additionally, by retaining Goyer (and to a lesser extent Nolan), they are likely to keep the feel and tone of the successful Dark Knight series; I can imagine this almost being a sort of alternative sequel to Batman Begins. People like me, who loved that series and mourned its passing, have a lot to be pleased about, even if I had reservations about MOS.
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Old July 21 2013, 01:57 PM   #117
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Yeah, and that it'll be an epic encounter. Snyder specifically said it's not actually an adaptation of that comic book. People are being too literal about this.
Well, I imagine it's going to be a while before we get something tangible about this film that could cleanse my mind of the very bad first impression made by evoking Frank Miller's wet dreams....

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Just a minor correction. It's not Batman's boot on Superman's neck. It's "my hand... ...at your throat".
OK, that's a little better.....

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Yeah I would have preferred seeing a standard MOS sequel as well, but I still think Superman comes across as fully-formed enough by the end of the first movie. We finally saw a confidence in him that had been lacking through much of the movie, and the smile at the end suggested he was ready to start his new life.

All that's really left is to establish his secret identity and whatever kind of relationship he has with Lois, which I'm sure this sequel will have no problem doing.
If the filmmakers are good, they could find a way to work Batman into a film that otherwise contains all the follow-up you'd expect to see in a MoS sequel. A bottom-line theme of the first film that should be continued is how the world deals with the existence of Superman. Batman getting involved could be part of the world's reacton.

My guess is they'll try to take the grounded, documentary style approach Snyder used in MOS, and stretch that across all the DC movies (much like the comic booky style that's being used for all the Marvel movies). I know not everyone was a fan, but I thought it worked great, and is probably the best way to put all these iconic characters in the same room and make it seem believable.
I just hope they learned some kind of lesson from Green Lantern and give us a decent Flash movie. Flash doesn't need to be complicated...classically, he has a very basic origin/mythos, and is an otherwise-ordinary guy who gains a great wish-fulfillment power which could come with some comical drawbacks (needing to eat boatloads of food, etc.). I'm seeing more of a Spider-Man tone here (pick your series, they're not that different).
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Old July 21 2013, 02:15 PM   #118
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Superman vs. Batman, hopefully it will be better than King Kong vs. Godzilla (not that I have actually seen that latter movie).
I've only seen the English version, which is awful. But what they left in of the Japanese version made it clear that it was rather goofy and comedy-oriented compared to the surrounding films in the series.



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I can't help but feel that while it is clearly successful enough to warrant a sequel, WB have decided that the best way to maximise income is to bring in the assured box-office pull of the Dark Knight. And simultaneously relaunch that hero on the big screen.

In doing so, they are neither replicating Marvel's approach with the solo movies leading up to an Avengers/JLA epic nor are they taking the gamble of one film being used to introduce and launch all of their heroes at once. This approach strikes me as very sensible and shrewd and if this film is a hit, it will springboard new Batman films and probably set up a JLA one.
You know, that's a thought. I've been wondering what approach they could take that was neither a copy of Marvel's (solo hero films followed by mass team-up) nor a simple inversion of it (mass team-up followed by solo films). Maybe what they could do is the equivalent of a team-up comic: Do several Superman films, each of which teams Superman with a different guest hero. So that Batman is introduced in the second Superman film, Wonder Woman in the third, etc., and then it eventually builds to a JL film.

I'm not saying that's what I think they are doing, but it just occurs to me as something that might be suitably distinct from the Marvel approach.
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Old July 21 2013, 02:15 PM   #119
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They had better not use debris from the world engine to weaken Superman just so the fanboys can see Batman beating him up.

I would never forgive WB for that.
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Old July 21 2013, 02:25 PM   #120
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I've been wondering what approach they could take that was neither a copy of Marvel's (solo hero films followed by mass team-up) nor a simple inversion of it (mass team-up followed by solo films). Maybe what they could do is the equivalent of a team-up comic: Do several Superman films, each of which teams Superman with a different guest hero. So that Batman is introduced in the second Superman film, Wonder Woman in the third, etc., and then it eventually builds to a JL film.

I'm not saying that's what I think they are doing, but it just occurs to me as something that might be suitably distinct from the Marvel approach.
I thought the same thing and it's probably the case.
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