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Old August 28 2013, 08:02 PM   #1021
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Re: ‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

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I think that kind of horserace stuff is ultimately just as irrelevant to movies as it is to political campaigns. It's stuff that journalists talk about so they'll have something to talk about. Once the movie comes out, few people will remember the hoopla that happened at this early stage. They'll judge it by the actual content, not by the "buzz" way back in the summer of 2013.
I'm inclined to agree. Seriously, has there EVER been a high-profile comic-book flick where there hasn't been some sort of on-line tempest or controversy along the way?
Off the top of my head:

Michael Keaton as Batman. Too much a comedy actor, too small, too balding etc.

Val Kilmer as Batman: too blond.

Stallone as Dredd: took off helmet.

Ian McKellen as Magneto: too gay (seriously, at the time some fans were up in arms about this)

Hugh Jackman as Wolverine: too tall, too young, Australian rather than Canadian, not muscly enough, Logan can't be played by a song and dance guy. Probably gay too.

The X-Men's black leather outfits. Damn Internet nearly exploded.

Anna Paquin as Rogue. Too young. Accent wrong.

Halle Berry as Storm. Should've been Angela Bassett.

Spider-man's organic webshooters and Green Goblin's Power Rangers outfit and mask.

Daredevil being played by Ben Affleck (him again). Daredevil's leather outfit. Jennifer Garner not being Greek. Colin Farrell being Irish. Michael Clarke Duncan being black.

Topher Grace not being muscly enough to play Venom. Changing the symbiote story.

Ras Al Ghul being Japanese instead of Arabic. Wait, he's actually Irish? WTF? Even worse. Scarecrow being a young good-looking guy instead of a tall skinny middle aged man. Christian Bale's speech impediment.

Jessica Alba as Sue Storm. Too Latina. Pretty much everything about FF except Evans and Chiklis. Somewhat justified in this case.

Halle Berry as Catwoman. Apparently the film was crap, not due to bad writing, directing or SFX, but because she was black. That and her costume.

Superman Returns' costume.

Heath Ledger as Joker. Internet nearly exploded again.

Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut. Kelsey Grammer as Beast.

Robert Downey Jr as Iron Man. Internet explodes again.

Tom Hardy as Bane - too small and not muscular enough. Anne Hathaway as Catwoman. Not sexy enough, apparently.

Ben Kingsley as Mandarin. Insufficiently Chinese (wait till they see the damn movie).

Chris Hemsworth as Thor. Idris Elba as Heimdal. Tom Hiddleston as Loki.

Chris Evans as Captain America - why, he's already been The Human Torch!

The Eric Bana-Ed Norton-Mark Ruffalo saga. The Terrence Howard-Don Cheadle saga.

Michael Shannon as Zod. Insufficiently famous or British. Man of Steel costume.

Karl Urban as Dredd. Chin too small.

Jamie Foxx as Electro. Looks too much like Mr Freeze.

David E. Kelley's Wonder Woman. Where do I start?

I'm sure I've missed plenty. Any advances?
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Old August 28 2013, 08:10 PM   #1022
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Halle Berry as Catwoman. Apparently the film was crap, not due to bad writing, directing or SFX, but because she was black. That and her costume.
No, the movie was crap due to all of those other things.
Jamie Foxx as Elektra.
The real question here is, "Will Foxx be a better Elektra than Jennifer Garner?"
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Old August 28 2013, 08:27 PM   #1023
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^D'oh! Must fix it!
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Old August 28 2013, 08:32 PM   #1024
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Well like I said, I'm only considering the perspective of the studio execs and marketing people here, who probably pay very close attention to every little detail (and every bad word said) about their upcoming summer blockbusters.

They undoubtedly want this movie to be a huge, billion dollar hit along the lines of Avengers, and anything that could possibly put that at risk or jeopardize it is probably going to make them a bit nervous-- at least for the time being.
Except that they do pay attention to every reaction, not just the cross-section that we sci-fi/comics nerds get in our bubble. That's a really small fraction of the total audience, so it doesn't loom remotely as large in the studios' considerations as it does in your or my experience as a fan trawling the Internet. Outside of the geek bubble, Ben Affleck is a highly regarded actor-writer-director, and I imagine a lot of people are bewildered at the intensity of the fan reactions, because Daredevil does not define Affleck for them.

And just in general, people who pay attention to all the hype must be used to the ridiculous overreactions that always come from a certain segment of the fan community, so they'd know better than to worry about it. You're talking as though this is something new or unprecedented. It isn't. It's the same thing we've seen time after time after time, and there's no reason it should be any more of a concern now than it was then.

If studios were paranoid enough to overreact to fan rage, then they would've replaced Heath Ledger as the Joker and we would've been cheated out of one of the great performances in film history (although maybe Ledger wouldn't have died then, so, hmm). Fan rage is routinely wrong. Sometimes it's right, but then, if you guess "tails" every single time a coin is flipped, you'll end up right about half the time. Statistically speaking, there is no reason to trust fan rage as a reliable predictor of anything. It's just a reflex action.


I think maybe the only bit of comics-movie casting that every fan immediately loved was Patrick Stewart as Professor X. Heck, everyone who was a fan of both Star Trek and the X-Men had believed all along that he would be perfect for the role. A friend of mine in college nominated him for Professor X back in the late '80s. Diane Duane wrote an X-Men novel where Xavier talked like Captain Picard years before Stewart was actually cast in the role.

Even so, there were probably people who went "WTF? Since when was Professor X English?!!!!"
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Old August 28 2013, 08:53 PM   #1025
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Is anyone else getting the feeling that maybe Warner Bros. was expecting a very different reaction to Affleck's casting, given his recent successes?
I'm sure they were expecting some whining from the comic book fans (who complain about almost every casting announcement), but the level of criticism and ridicule for this has seemingly gone far beyond that, and made it almost a national joke.

Frankly I'd be very surprised if the studio execs weren't seriously nervous right now at the impact this might have on the box office, and concerned that they might have accidentally thrown cold water on all the buzz and excitement that had been building for this movie beforehand.
Honestly, I think we've already moved on to the backlash against the "uproar." Even USA TODAY ran a satirical piece today mocking the over-reaction to Affleck's casting:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/p...atman/2705911/
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Old August 28 2013, 08:56 PM   #1026
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^Very funny. I especially liked his mock-twitter usernames.
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Old August 29 2013, 08:02 AM   #1027
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He's sure his old friend will do a great job of playing the caped crusader. "He's not playing King Lear," Damon told the Times of India. "Batman just sits there with his cowl over his head and whispers in a kinda gruff voice at people."
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013...t-damon-batman
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Old August 29 2013, 03:29 PM   #1028
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Old August 29 2013, 03:45 PM   #1029
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Re: ‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

http://www.michiganfilmoffice.org/Th....aspx?id=12540


So does this give us any clues in the direction that WB/affleck/goyer/Snyder is taking this movie/franchise
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Old August 29 2013, 04:22 PM   #1030
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http://www.michiganfilmoffice.org/Th....aspx?id=12540


So does this give us any clues in the direction that WB/affleck/goyer/Snyder is taking this movie/franchise
As a Michigander, I think this is great news The new Transformers movie is doing a lot of filming in Michigan as well, but the Transformers movies aren't very good.....
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Old August 29 2013, 04:43 PM   #1031
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With all the CG work that will be in the movie, it probably doesn't matter much where they film it.
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Old August 29 2013, 04:50 PM   #1032
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Detroit. Alot of abandoned and crumbling buildings.


Say hello to the new Gotham City filming location
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Old August 29 2013, 04:56 PM   #1033
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Detroit. Alot of abandoned and crumbling buildings.


Say hello to the new Gotham City filming location
That's what I was thinking. Should look pretty cool on screen.
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Old August 29 2013, 06:31 PM   #1034
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Plus the Chrysler building in downtown detroit could be wayne industries.
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Old August 29 2013, 07:23 PM   #1035
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Nah. All publicity is good publicity. This has simply heightened awareness of the film and the plans to team Batman and Superman up.

There were similar responses to Keaton,
The outcry against Keaton, mostly in the form of newspaper and magazine articles (no 'net back then), was pretty strong. I recall screwing up my face when I got the news in what was then a low tech WTF icon. I said Keaton didn't "fit" the role. He was a stand up comic, a very good stand up comic, and a good comedic actor -- but Batman...NO.

What many of us didn't know back then was how great an actor he was. Really good actors can do a number of different types of acting, comedy, drama, melodrama. Keaton, to this day, is by far my favorite Batman actor.

As Matt Damon stated in those quotes fiurther upthread, the Batman role doesn't require much acting, (although a good actor could have dne more with the role than Bale did), so Affleck needs to really keep from bumping into suff on set. If he can do this, he at least shouldn't be any worse than the previous Batman actor.
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