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Old August 2 2013, 08:06 PM   #436
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Re: ‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

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Not to mention that a fight between Superman and Batman in the DCAU probably wouldn't have been as one sided as the Superman fans would think seeing as Timm nerfed Superman down to a (frankly) not ridiculous power level
I remember the scene where Batman tosses Superman over his shoulder.

That just shouldn't have happened.

Yeah Timm's Superman wasn't uber powerful.


Even high caliber bullets(The Late Mr Kent) probably stung him
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Old August 3 2013, 12:29 AM   #437
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Oh, so all Batman has to do to win is suck all the air out of the room and wait for Superman to pass out.

Not to mention that a fight between Superman and Batman in the DCAU probably wouldn't have been as one sided as the Superman fans would think seeing as Timm nerfed Superman down to a (frankly) not ridiculous power level
Which episode was it that Superman was disabled by loss of air?
It wasn't an episode so much as everytime that version of Superman was in space he was either in a spacesuit (Superman TAS episodes "The Prometheon", "Little Girl Lost, Part 1")

or in a Green Lantern energy bubble (Justice League episode "Savage Time").

Plus when the Zod expy guy and his female sidekick got spaced in their last appearance both after escaping the phatom zone and at the end of the episode they were shown gasping for air.(episode "Absolute Power")

So yeah I think its apparent that Superman needs air.
The Pre-Crisis Superman and Superboy were capable of space travel without the need a space suit. The 1986's reboot by John Byrne retooled the character to make him less powerful and more fallible. The 90's Superman cartoon was based on Byrne's reboot. Superman would regain A LOT of his powers and things Byrne stripped from the mythos after Byrne's departure in 1988. The ability to survive in space with the need to breath was returned in the 1999 comic prequel Our World At War. When Superman was trained by Mongul Jr to have better control of his powers and gain fighting ability for the upcoming war with Imperiex. The Superman of the 2000-2011 (I'm not too savvy on New 52 Superman) had nearly every ability of his Pre-Crisis self. Minus the unlimited power levels. He didn't need to sleep eat or breath as long as his solar cells were charged.

Bruce Timm's tooling of the character was really a product of time it was created. Similar to how Man Of Steel Supes doesn't have the same levels of power the Supes from Superman I-IV or SR. They were based on Pre-Crisis Supes who could travel through time in the comics and move planets out of their orbit under extreme duress. MoS Supes struggled to lift a falling oil rig structure.
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Old August 3 2013, 12:34 AM   #438
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The Pre-Crisis Superman and Superboy were capable of space travel without the need a space suit.
Shouldn't he lose his powers when not in the vicinity of a yellow sun?
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Old August 3 2013, 12:49 AM   #439
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As long as he stays away from Red Suns he's fine.
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Old August 3 2013, 12:49 AM   #440
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Byrne-era Superman needed to breath, but could hold his breath for about 90 minutes and otherwise survive in space.

If out of the vicinity of a yellow sun, he would gradually lose his powers...his body stored the solar energy and could eventually run out of gas if it wasn't replenished.
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Old August 3 2013, 07:05 PM   #441
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Which episode was it that Superman was disabled by loss of air?
It wasn't an episode so much as everytime that version of Superman was in space he was either in a spacesuit (Superman TAS episodes "The Prometheon", "Little Girl Lost, Part 1")

or in a Green Lantern energy bubble (Justice League episode "Savage Time").

Plus when the Zod expy guy and his female sidekick got spaced in their last appearance both after escaping the phatom zone and at the end of the episode they were shown gasping for air.(episode "Absolute Power")

So yeah I think its apparent that Superman needs air.
The Pre-Crisis Superman and Superboy were capable of space travel without the need a space suit. The 1986's reboot by John Byrne retooled the character to make him less powerful and more fallible. The 90's Superman cartoon was based on Byrne's reboot. Superman would regain A LOT of his powers and things Byrne stripped from the mythos after Byrne's departure in 1988. The ability to survive in space with the need to breath was returned in the 1999 comic prequel Our World At War. When Superman was trained by Mongul Jr to have better control of his powers and gain fighting ability for the upcoming war with Imperiex. The Superman of the 2000-2011 (I'm not too savvy on New 52 Superman) had nearly every ability of his Pre-Crisis self. Minus the unlimited power levels. He didn't need to sleep eat or breath as long as his solar cells were charged.

Bruce Timm's tooling of the character was really a product of time it was created. Similar to how Man Of Steel Supes doesn't have the same levels of power the Supes from Superman I-IV or SR. They were based on Pre-Crisis Supes who could travel through time in the comics and move planets out of their orbit under extreme duress. MoS Supes struggled to lift a falling oil rig structure.
Something that further explains why he could not possibly make the kinds of "rescues" some people felt he should have made in the second half of the film. On top of being inexperienced, he lacked that kind of power.
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Old August 3 2013, 10:17 PM   #442
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That is totally true. Of course he did not no the limit of his powers when saving the oil rig.
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Old August 4 2013, 12:21 AM   #443
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Regarding the rig, it looked more like he was in a precarious position, trying to delay an inevitable collapse rather than struggling to lift anything. Sure, he was putting in some strenuous effort, but that was probably more for dramatic effect. They made a point of showing us that he could hold the structure but his footing was weakening. If he couldn't fly, and if the rig was too fragile, there wasn't much else he could do but hold on to that house of cards the way he did.
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Old August 4 2013, 04:55 AM   #444
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The Goddamn who?
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Old August 4 2013, 09:37 AM   #445
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This is supposedly WB's list of contenders for Batman:

http://m.cinemablend.com/new/Batman-...ion-38839.html
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Old August 4 2013, 01:32 PM   #446
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You never know how real these type of lists are. Every agent who represents an actor who fits that description is trying to get his clients name out there. I have not heard of most of those guys!
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Old August 4 2013, 06:33 PM   #447
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^Conventional wisdom is to cast relative unknowns as superheroes, so that's not surprising.
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Old August 4 2013, 10:05 PM   #448
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The thing with casting superheroes is, IMO, getting the main part of the character right. If you're casting Superman, you have to cast Superman. Anybody can play Clark Kent. If you're casting Iron Man, you have to cast Tony Stark. If you're casting Batman, you have to cast Batman. Anybody can play Bruce Wayne.

My opinion is that Christian Bale's Batman sucked. I've held back on that because he's so popular around these parts. But the lispy, mouth-breathing dog-barking Batman in the extremely bad cowl and the velvet cape and the motorcycle armor just isn't believable to me. I don't buy it.

Batman is a badass. Christian Bale is not. None of those pretty boys on that list are not either. I doubt they could convey the internal pain that is the reason for the Batman's existence, much less pull it off in the suit. Those guys might be ok as Bruce Wayne, but they're not Batman.

Read this, from Kevin Porter:

The Voice

One of the most common questions that I get is what inspires me in regards to my version of what Batman sounds like. It’s an interesting question as I cant deny certain influences. I loved Keaton and of course Conroy was the master. However, the voice is as much a part of the persona of Batman as his cowl.. Even more so. There is a strength and pain that resonates in the voice. Its so much more than just making a growling voice. The voice is conflicted by the man vs. the mission. By the animal that he must sometimes become and the refined upbringing that he has to sometimes project. It’s clean and articulate. But dirty and abrasive. The grammar is perfect but the annunciation boarders on the verge of breaking. There is duality that come across in the voice and the eyes.

My speaking voice is FAR different than that of Batman’s. People are very surprised when they speak to me for the first time. I view this as a complement. I'm asked to do the voice often out of character and its very strange. Even when we are doing ADR or vocal looping in the studio for Bat In The Sun its sometimes tough to get into character. Well, Maybe its because I just have a blast with those guys and its hard to be so grim when laughing.

If you haven’t seen the attached video, please do so. It is a greatest hits collection of us in the studio looping some Batman lines. You will hear how I have to turn the voice off and on and how difficult it is, especially when the guys are cracking me up. Its hard to be dark and brooding as your director is making faces through the sound booth.

Also, bonus points to anyone who knows the ending reference “Chicken Feet”. It was used during a fight scene while shooting Seeds of Arhkam!

Voice Over Out Takes!

This guy knows the role, and would do a hell of a job. DC already employs him for public appearances. He has big screen experience. It's not much of a stretch for me to see him in a lead role in a major motion picture.

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Old August 10 2013, 12:43 AM   #449
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Christian Bale Reportedly Offered $50 Million To Reprise Batman role?
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Old August 10 2013, 12:48 AM   #450
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An unauthorized e-book that focuses on one part of Bale's life?
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