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Old July 5 2014, 03:55 PM   #2761
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Re: ‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

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And let's not even speak of the era when he wore a diaper over his pants.
Seems like it would defeat the purpose of a diaper.
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Old July 5 2014, 04:18 PM   #2762
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"Middling box office return"? MOS was one of the top 5 grossing films in 2013. MOS also sold more copies on home video than IM3. The film was a success. Why do people keep trying to spin MOS as some sort of financial failure?
Read the text in the parenthesis in my post. I never said that the film failed, but it made far less money than it should have.
How much was it supposed to make? $668 million is a lot of money. Could it have done more? Sure.
Middling is another word for average or moderate. Not terrible. Would you agree with moderate box office returns? Because that's what exactly I said.

Here's BoxOfficeMojo's take on the film's numbers.

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Man of Steel: Zack Snyder-directed Superman reboot Man of Steel set a June opening weekend record with an incredible $116.6 million ($128.7 million including Thursday night grosses). Unfortunately, lukewarm word-of-mouth caused the movie to collapse after opening weekend, and it will wind up earning less than $300 million at the domestic box office. Add in good overseas figures ($360 million and counting) and Man of Steel is absolutely going to turn a profit. Still, the much-publicized decision to add Batman to the Man of Steel sequel suggests that this wasn't the kind of runaway success that Warner Bros. was hoping for.
Here's an analysis from Forbes.

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That’s no small potatoes (it’s the third-biggest non-sequel superhero comic book film), and much of its $225m budget was paid for via product placements anyway (IHOP: Come for the pancakes, stay because Zod blew you up while you were eating your pancakes). But as I’ve discussed elsewhere, the insertion of Ben Affleck as Batman into the next film shows that Warner is concerned about the ability of a second film to pop accordingly.
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Old July 5 2014, 05:12 PM   #2763
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Agreed. It's not about HD...
No, it's not a debate. They've literally said as much. There may be other reasons, too, but HD was a definitive reason for adding texture to all the superhero costumes as of late.
Haven't movies always been shown on the screen in "HD" though (or at least something close to it)? It's only TV technology that's been lagging behind all these years, and I doubt the producers are only designing these costumes with much later TV broadcasts in mind.
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Old July 5 2014, 05:44 PM   #2764
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Pyjamas?


Not seeing it.
Yes, modern pyjamas are baggier. The classic superman costume reminds me more of brightly colored long johns (or sometimes even a onesie). And let's not even speak of the era when he wore a diaper over his pants. The bottom line is that there's a very good reason why the vast majority of superhero movies don't even attempt to match the spandex obsession of the comics. Superman got away with the tights longer than most, simply because he is so iconic, but it was only a matter of time before someone tried to make him look a little more realistic, and I personally am very happy with the result.
Pyjamas have always been "baggie" or loose fitting.

Longjohns are underwear, not pyjamas. The current costume with it's single color and one piece styling looks more like longjohns the the older one.
Poor choice of words then. But, no, the current one doesn't look like long johns at all. It looks like a weird alien flight suit kind of thing. Maybe a swim suit at the outside (it has a sort of almost atlantean vibe to it).

Never heard the trunks called a diaper before. Usually they're jokingly called underwear. Though neither is accurate.
It's not meant to be 'accurate', it's meant to be descriptive.

Superman's costume is styled after what circus performers wore. Superman predates the invention of spandex by 20 years

How is what Superman ( and many other superheroes) currently wears not tights?
Tights are by definition flimsy and ridiculously form fitting, with the clothes not adding or changing the shape of the body at all. The current costume does not fit that, and I can count the number of superhero movies that have included tights (seriously, not as a parody) on one hand.
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Old July 5 2014, 06:15 PM   #2765
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Poor choice of words then. But, no, the current one doesn't look like long johns at all. It looks like a weird alien flight suit kind of thing. Maybe a swim suit at the outside (it has a sort of almost atlantean vibe to it).
Its a form fitting suit that contours to his body. You can almost tell his religion.

Never heard the trunks called a diaper before. Usually they're jokingly called underwear. Though neither is accurate.
It's not meant to be 'accurate', it's meant to be descriptive.
Have you seen a diaper? How many are form fitting with belt loops and a belt?

Superman's costume is styled after what circus performers wore. Superman predates the invention of spandex by 20 years

How is what Superman ( and many other superheroes) currently wears not tights?
Tights are by definition flimsy and ridiculously form fitting, with the clothes not adding or changing the shape of the body at all. The current costume does not fit that, and I can count the number of superhero movies that have included tights (seriously, not as a parody) on one hand.
Again, its a form fitting suit that contours to his body. You can almost tell his religion. It's textured tights or perhaps thermal underwear.

Since I said, superheroes and not movie superheroes, my statement stands. Though Affleck's Batman costume is looking very "tights".
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Old July 5 2014, 07:03 PM   #2766
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Read the text in the parenthesis in my post. I never said that the film failed, but it made far less money than it should have.
How much was it supposed to make? $668 million is a lot of money. Could it have done more? Sure.
Middling is another word for average or moderate. Not terrible. Would you agree with moderate box office returns? Because that's what exactly I said.

Here's BoxOfficeMojo's take on the film's numbers.

Box Office Mojo wrote:
Man of Steel: Zack Snyder-directed Superman reboot Man of Steel set a June opening weekend record with an incredible $116.6 million ($128.7 million including Thursday night grosses). Unfortunately, lukewarm word-of-mouth caused the movie to collapse after opening weekend, and it will wind up earning less than $300 million at the domestic box office. Add in good overseas figures ($360 million and counting) and Man of Steel is absolutely going to turn a profit. Still, the much-publicized decision to add Batman to the Man of Steel sequel suggests that this wasn't the kind of runaway success that Warner Bros. was hoping for.
Here's an analysis from Forbes.

Forbes wrote:
That’s no small potatoes (it’s the third-biggest non-sequel superhero comic book film), and much of its $225m budget was paid for via product placements anyway (IHOP: Come for the pancakes, stay because Zod blew you up while you were eating your pancakes). But as I’ve discussed elsewhere, the insertion of Ben Affleck as Batman into the next film shows that Warner is concerned about the ability of a second film to pop accordingly.
The above quotes are subjective to the respective author's expectations of how much a Superman movie should make and how it should be received. Captain America TWS didn't break $300 million domestically and that film had Capt America TFA, Avengers and Agents of Shield to add wind to it's sails. When you say middling BO returns I point to Superman Returns. That film had a budget of $260 million and only did $391 million worldwide. That is a moderate success and that's me being generous with the term success.


Adding Ben Affleck to the cast isn't a sign that TPTB were worried about the sequel. A Batman/Superman has been in the works since Batman Begins and Superman Returns back in 05/06. Only one of the aforementioned films was greenlit for sequels while the other (Returns) was not. Returns' failure caused WB to reboot the franchise. Batman v Superman was announced at San Diego Comic Con 4 weeks after MOS debutted in theaters. TPTB were obviously satisfied with the results.

This is what the President of WB's Production said back in 2008 regarding Superman Returns.
"Superman Returns didn't quite work as a film in the way that we wanted it to. It didn't position the character the way he needed to be positioned. Had Superman worked in 2006, we would have had a movie for Christmas of this year or 2009. Now the plan is just to reintroduce Superman without regard to a Batman and Superman movie at all".
So we have Returns which didn't get a sequel because it didn't position the character the way WB wanted and you have MOS which apparently satisfied WB to want to see more of Snyder's direction for the character.

If you look at the BO grosses of other blockbusters, E.g Transformers, The Marvel Phase 2 movies (IM3, TWS, TDW), Avengers, Frozen etc. The international market is what pushed those films over the top in terms of financial success. Remember we are comparing MOS, the first movie in a new franchise. Against films that have been around for years and have established foundations that audiences are familiar with. Batman v Superman will probably break a $800 million to a billion now that audiences have been reintroduced to the character and his franchise.
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Old July 5 2014, 07:17 PM   #2767
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Poor choice of words then. But, no, the current one doesn't look like long johns at all. It looks like a weird alien flight suit kind of thing. Maybe a swim suit at the outside (it has a sort of almost atlantean vibe to it).
Its a form fitting suit that contours to his body. You can almost tell his religion.
That's a pretty big exaggeration. It's designed to show off muscles, bit it stills feels like a much thicker, more formidable material and is definitely not perfectly form fitting.


It's not meant to be 'accurate', it's meant to be descriptive.
Have you seen a diaper? How many are form fitting with belt loops and a belt?
How much do you truly resemble resemble a drowned rat when you come in from a rainstorm? Language is a funny thing.

Superman's costume is styled after what circus performers wore. Superman predates the invention of spandex by 20 years

How is what Superman ( and many other superheroes) currently wears not tights?
Tights are by definition flimsy and ridiculously form fitting, with the clothes not adding or changing the shape of the body at all. The current costume does not fit that, and I can count the number of superhero movies that have included tights (seriously, not as a parody) on one hand.
Again, its a form fitting suit that contours to his body. You can almost tell his religion. It's textured tights or perhaps thermal underwear.

Since I said, superheroes and not movie superheroes, my statement stands. Though Affleck's Batman costume is looking very "tights".
Disagree. Also, my statement was always about film superheroes. Obviously cartoons and comics follow different rules, since there are no actual people in the suits.
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Old July 5 2014, 07:22 PM   #2768
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Its funny when you say this
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That's a pretty big exaggeration. It's designed to show off muscles, bit it stills feels like a much thicker, more formidable material and is definitely not perfectly form fitting.
followed by this.

How much do you truly resemble resemble a drowned rat when you come in from a rainstorm? Language is a funny thing.
Thing is, the only way is resembles a diaper is it covers the pelvis. "looking like a drowned rat" is an idiomatic phrase. Diaper for anything covering the pelvis, not so much.



Disagree. Also, my statement was always about film superheroes. Obviously cartoons and comics follow different rules, since there are no actual people in the suits.
My statement was about Superheroes.
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Old July 5 2014, 07:23 PM   #2769
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When you say middling BO returns I point to Superman Returns. That film had a budget of $260 million and only did $391 million worldwide. That is a moderate success and that's me being generous with the term success.
Keep in mind that that $260 million figure somewhat absurdly lumps in the cost of previous failed attempts to get a project off the ground together with the cost of making the actual film they released. It is only by this measure that the film seems to fail by traditional studio math.
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Old July 5 2014, 07:29 PM   #2770
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I pity the poor superheroes who have to wear those bulky, texturized, leathery outfits underneath their street clothes. Must get real hot for them during the summer.
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Old July 5 2014, 07:32 PM   #2771
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I pity the poor superheroes who have to wear those bulky, texturized, leathery outfits underneath their street clothes. Must get real hot for them during the summer.
and winter and fall and spring.
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Old July 5 2014, 07:37 PM   #2772
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When you say middling BO returns I point to Superman Returns. That film had a budget of $260 million and only did $391 million worldwide. That is a moderate success and that's me being generous with the term success.
Keep in mind that that $260 million figure somewhat absurdly lumps in the cost of previous failed attempts to get a project off the ground together with the cost of making the actual film they released. It is only by this measure that the film seems to fail by traditional studio math.
Yeah I always wondered about that. On boxofficemojo the state the budget is $260 million. On thenumbers.com, it's recorded as $230 million.
http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Sup...ns#tab=summary
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Old July 5 2014, 07:43 PM   #2773
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Old July 5 2014, 07:53 PM   #2774
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Cavil is certainly the best by far. The other two are awful. :P
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Old July 5 2014, 08:12 PM   #2775
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^^Too bad, then, that they won't actually let him look like Superman.

Btw, as to "the old costume looked like underwear", well, maybe you've noticed in MoS how the suit Superman wears is basically what Jor-El and Zod wore underneath their armor, so, the MoS suit was literally Kryptonian underwear.
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