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Old January 29 2014, 05:20 AM   #1771
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Re: ‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

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Wow, I didn't realize Spirit of Vengeance actually made that much. I thought it was total and complete bomb that nobody went to see.
It had a big drop-off from the first film. Ghost Rider made $228.7 million against a $110 million production budget. The sequel made almost $100 million less. The sequel was going to be a big budget film, with a budget initially set at $135 million. Sony saw the writing on the wall and saved themselves from taking a loss by slashing the budget way down.
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Old January 29 2014, 05:29 AM   #1772
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Sony saw the writing on the wall and saved themselves from taking a loss by slashing the budget way down.
Spirit of Vengeance was definitely a failure for Sony.

SONY gave the Ghost Rider rights back to Marvel Studios after Spirit of Vengeance flopped. I guess they were hoping for some bonus points from Disney for doing that.
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Old January 29 2014, 06:09 AM   #1773
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Re: ‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

Pardon me while I revisit this.

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4) An announced Superman/Batman project that they can't seem to nail down the scope, focus, or timing of in relation to setting up the Justice League film.
You obviously don't think that anyone at Warner Bros knows what they're doing. I think you're wrong. Bringing Batman into the sequel to Man of Steel is a brilliant move. I don't think anyone here anticipated it, and someone certainly should have if we're all so much smarter than WB execs.

While we love knocking studio people, I believe there is serious planning going on at Warner Bros/DC. We're just unlucky not to be in on the discussions. They're not copying the MCU approach but they're not winging it either. You and many others would be far less frustrated and annoyed if you had friends at the studio feeding you intelligence on WB's plans. My bottom line is "wait and see," not "it's a trainwreck."
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Old January 29 2014, 06:34 AM   #1774
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Pardon me while I revisit this.

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4) An announced Superman/Batman project that they can't seem to nail down the scope, focus, or timing of in relation to setting up the Justice League film.
You obviously don't think that anyone at Warner Bros knows what they're doing. I think you're wrong. Bringing Batman into the sequel to Man of Steel is a brilliant move. I don't think anyone here anticipated it, and someone certainly should have if we're all so much smarter than WB execs.
No one here anticipated a Batman vs. Superman movie? Are you serious? People have been wanting a Batman vs. Superman film for decades. It's not some crazy idea that only a genius could come up with; it's incredibly obvious and the only thing I didn't anticipate is how long it took WB to get off its ass and finally make it happen.
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Old January 29 2014, 06:48 AM   #1775
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Re: ‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

I think Bad Bishop's point is that nobody anticipated a Batman/Superman movie so soon after Man of Steel. I think most fans expected a trilogy of Man of Steel films, or at least a proper Man of Steel sequel, and maybe a couple of individual films like The Flash or Wonder Woman before even getting a Batman/Superman movie.

Warner Bros. is obviously not wanting to replicate Marvel's model, but emulate it. I have to agree with Bad Bishop that by putting Batman in a Man of Steel sequel this is their best bet to do that. If they followed Marvel's approach (individual movies eventually leading to a team-up movie) then they would get criticized for copying. At least here they are doing something different by teaming up a couple of superheroes in a movie before eventually building up to a Justice League movie.

As a matter of fact, I would love to see a Green Lantern movie but with appearances by Martin Manhunter or a Wonder Woman movie with appearances by Superman. Or an Aquaman movie with appearances by other Justice League members. It would be an interesting approach, if done well.
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Old January 29 2014, 06:57 AM   #1776
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What Bad Bishop and JacksonArcher said.

Recall that the Batman/Superman movie was revealed at SDCC last year. Nearly a month after MOS had debuted in theaters. Nobody saw it coming that soon. TPTB must have been highly satisfied with the movie and the business it was doing at the BO; to green light a sequel as early as they did.
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Old January 29 2014, 07:06 AM   #1777
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Spirit of Vengeance was definitely a failure for Sony.
As I said, they saved themselves from a loss with the big budget cut. Even so, the huge drop-off in box office from the first film meant it wasn't worth their while continuing the franchise.
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Old January 29 2014, 02:03 PM   #1778
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Warner Brothers had plans for a Superman/Batman filmed do be directed by Wolfgang Peterson and a Wonder Woman and Flash movies but all those plans fell though along with t he George Miller directed JLA movie. It's obvious that the WB looked at how successful Marvel has been with their MCU movies and are now scrambling to catch up.
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Old January 29 2014, 02:40 PM   #1779
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Re: ‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

Bishop is once again beating a straw man with the wrong end of the bush....I never disputed their choice to make a Batman/Superman movie...something that I've been wanting to see for years...the point of item #4 was this part: "...that they can't seem to nail down the scope, focus, or timing of in relation to setting up the Justice League film."
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Old January 29 2014, 04:50 PM   #1780
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...the point of item #4 was this part: "...that they can't seem to nail down the scope, focus, or timing of in relation to setting up the Justice League film."
But the operative word there is "seem." It would be a huge mistake to assume that the lack of clarity in what's been made public to date represents a lack of clarity in the actual planning. What we see is just the tip of the iceberg. Heck, it's just the barest glimpse of the iceberg peering over the horizon. For all we know, they may have a very clear, detailed plan for their films; but we're just learning about it in dribs and drabs, through secondhand sources and rumors and leaks and speculations. So what we're aware of is bound to be a whole lot vaguer and more confused than what's actually being done behind the scenes.
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Old January 29 2014, 05:40 PM   #1781
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I think Bad Bishop's point is that nobody anticipated a Batman/Superman movie so soon after Man of Steel.
Yes, that's true, but rushing a Batman vs. Superman film isn't a sign of brilliance. It's a sign of panic. WB is scrambling to catch up with Marvel and make the money that they could have made years ago.
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Old January 29 2014, 06:29 PM   #1782
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I've always thought that putting Batman in the MOS sequel was a reaction to that movie not performing as well at the box office as WB expected (while still being a hit, it didn't give them the Dark Knight/Harry Potter sort of money they hoped to get after those franchises came to an end).
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Old January 29 2014, 06:50 PM   #1783
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Yeah, it's an understandable decision. Batman is DC/Warner Bros.' one consistently successful movie superhero, so when Superman's relaunch underperformed, they shored him up with Batman.

But to be fair, it's not as if the fans haven't been clamoring for a Superman/Batman movie for ages.
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Old January 29 2014, 07:11 PM   #1784
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I think Bad Bishop's point is that nobody anticipated a Batman/Superman movie so soon after Man of Steel.
Yes, that's true, but rushing a Batman vs. Superman film isn't a sign of brilliance. It's a sign of panic. WB is scrambling to catch up with Marvel and make the money that they could have made years ago.
I don't think WB are rushing anything. If the delay meant anything, it shows that WB is clearly taking their time with this one. They even said in the press release the delay was so that they can have proper time to make the movie.
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Old January 29 2014, 07:16 PM   #1785
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Since Man Of Steel made over $600 million worldwide it's hard to say it under performed and since the sequel was in the works prior to MOS coming it was a planned move. And the Superman/Batman was pushed back a year so it's hardly being rushed out for that matter.
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