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Old May 20 2014, 07:52 AM   #1
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Why did Picard Violate the Prime Directive in Nemesis??

Why did Picard violate the Prime Directive in Nemesis? At the beginning of the movie, he takes a shuttle down to Kolarus III, where he, Worf and Data drive around in a dune buggy and start gunning down the locals. I know plot radiation prevented them from using the transporters to obtain the android parts scattered across the planet, but why didn't Picard wait till night fall, then send teams under cover of darkness to obtain the pieces, without alerting the locals? A little stealth would have went a long way.

Heck if Shinzon needed the Enterprise crew to find B4, why did he hide in pieces on a planet full of hostile natives, instead of putting B-4 in an easier place to get to?
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Old May 20 2014, 08:49 AM   #2
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Re: Why did Picard Violate the Prime Directive in Nemesis??

Bad writing and poor understanding of Trek?
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Old May 20 2014, 09:18 AM   #3
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Re: Why did Picard Violate the Prime Directive in Nemesis??

Because having an Action Buggy scene with guns and a daring jump through the shuttle hatch required a flimsy story excuse?
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Old May 20 2014, 09:27 AM   #4
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Re: Why did Picard Violate the Prime Directive in Nemesis??

Does the Prime Directive even apply? Just because they're pre warp doesn't mean they aren't frequently visited by non-Federation warp-capable species, or are perhaps even allied with one hostile to Starfleet.

They look a lot like Keenser.
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Old May 20 2014, 03:23 PM   #5
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Re: Why did Picard Violate the Prime Directive in Nemesis??

It appears obvious to me that it was all arranged by Shinzon, including drafting the natives to harass Picard.

LaForge carefully mapped the positions of the known settlements of the natives before the heroes landed on the planet. Supposedly, there was little or no risk of encounters there. Yet somehow these heavily armed folks did appear, right after Picard had picked up the final piece of B-4 - not a minute earlier, not a minute later.

It's pretty obvious why Shinzon would want this very thing to happen: Picard was already convinced that "something is wrong", and mustn't be given time to think about it. So our favorite not-quite-Reman digs up a (fake?) Soongian android from some junk heap of Tal'Shiar or whoever it was that helped him succeed in his little Spartacus rebellion; plants this on a planet that will lure Picard away from his well-published route from Earth to the Betazed wedding, and to a location closer to the Romulan Neutral Zone; and then bribes the locals to pretend that they want to kill Picard, so that there would be no chance of the Captain figuring out the forensic details of the planting. After the locals signal Shinzon that Picard took the bait, Shinzon sends the call for negotiations, knowing Picard is now the skipper closest to the Romulan homeworld.

At least that's what Shinzon ought to have done...

As for breaking the Prime Directive, our heroes are always surveying primitive species - that's an important part of the whole PD thing. They just take care not to be seen. And landing in the middle of a desert far away from known settlements sounds like a routine maneuver... One that is best conducted in broad daylight, when a minimum number of people are likely to be traipsing in a desert!

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Old May 20 2014, 03:36 PM   #6
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So our favorite not-quite-Reman digs up a (fake?) Soongian android from some junk heap of Tal'Shiar
The explanation that B4 might have been created by someone else - perhaps, as you sort of suggested here, the Romulans attempting to roll their own Data - rather than actually being created by Soong had frankly never occurred to me. But I like it. And I'm going to blame not wanting to think about Nemesis, period, for not having thought of it.
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Old May 20 2014, 04:42 PM   #7
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Re: Why did Picard Violate the Prime Directive in Nemesis??

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Why did Picard violate the Prime Directive in Nemesis? At the beginning of the movie, he takes a shuttle down to Kolarus III, where he, Worf and Data drive around in a dune buggy and start gunning down the locals. I know plot radiation prevented them from using the transporters to obtain the android parts scattered across the planet, but why didn't Picard wait till night fall, then send teams under cover of darkness to obtain the pieces, without alerting the locals? A little stealth would have went a long way.

Heck if Shinzon needed the Enterprise crew to find B4, why did he hide in pieces on a planet full of hostile natives, instead of putting B-4 in an easier place to get to?
Because Patrick Stewart wanted to drive dune buggies.
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Old May 20 2014, 07:02 PM   #8
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Why did Picard violate the Prime Directive in Nemesis?
Because Patrick Stewart wanted to drive dune buggies.
This. Oh so very much. Completely.

It was, quite simply, pandering to the self-indulgent interests of the lead actor. Nothing more, nothing less. That it violates the rules of the franchise, let alone the well established personal principals of the character that said actor had been playing for something like 15 years by that point and who he should've known back-to-front, didn't even enter into the equation when the scene was proposed.

One would hope that Sir Patrick would've had the dignity to see his character's motivations beyond those of his own personal interests in off-road racing. But, alas....
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Old May 20 2014, 07:21 PM   #9
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Why did Picard violate the Prime Directive in Nemesis? At the beginning of the movie, he takes a shuttle down to Kolarus III, where he, Worf and Data drive around in a dune buggy and start gunning down the locals.
I think there's some evidence that the Kolarus residents were already aware of the existence of dune buggies and guns.
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Old May 20 2014, 07:30 PM   #10
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Re: Why did Picard Violate the Prime Directive in Nemesis??

The only reason the Prime Directive exists is so that it can be ignored when convenient for the plot.
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Old May 20 2014, 08:18 PM   #11
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Re: Why did Picard Violate the Prime Directive in Nemesis??

As for why they didn't wait until nightfall, maybe the planet rotates slowly and its "day" is several Earth days long.

As for the rest, the area was believed to be deserted, so they didn't expect to encounter any locals. And once they did, I think Picard's actions did more to protect the Prime Directive than to violate it. Think about it. If they'd hidden their advanced weapons and shuttlecraft and been captured, then the Kolarans would've had proof of alien life and technology, and that would've had a major impact on their society. But because they fled and flew away, all the Kolarans have is an unconfirmed UFO sighting, which in the absence of physical evidence is probably not going to have much effect.
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Old May 20 2014, 08:33 PM   #12
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I agree with Christopher, the discover of an alien technology would have had a stronger impact than a simple story about a Close encounter of the Third kind.
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Old May 20 2014, 09:15 PM   #13
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Well, assuming it wasn't the first UFO sighting in Kolaran history. Kenneth Arnold's "flying disc" sighting in 1947 triggered a nationwide frenzy of sightings and ongoing military investigations for many years thereafter. Although maybe that was just a side effect of Cold War hypervigilance combined with the nascent space age, priming people to think they were seeing such things.
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Old May 20 2014, 10:47 PM   #14
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Re: Why did Picard Violate the Prime Directive in Nemesis??

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It appears obvious to me that it was all arranged by Shinzon, including drafting the natives to harass Picard.
That's not the impression I got. Those natives were shooting at them! And it didn't look like blanks. Any one of those shots could have potentially killed Picard. So either Shinzon recruited the dumbest natives imaginable, or they were really trying to kill them.

And really, that's the most ridiculous plan ever. If Shinzon had access to an actual Soong android, and he was now the new Praetor, why didn't he just contact the Federation, tell them what he had, and specifically ask for the Enterprise to come to Romulus to get it? That way he'd have Picard and a way to get B4 onto the Enterprise, without resorting to wasting time on Kolarus.

On second thought, why even bother with B4? If Shinzon needed Picard's blood to survive, why didn't he just contact Picard and tell him this? Starfleet Medical would probably have found a way to help Shinzon without him trying to kidnap and kill Picard.
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Old May 20 2014, 11:29 PM   #15
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Re: Why did Picard Violate the Prime Directive in Nemesis??

Better to leave the Kolarans with a mystery than a working android.
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