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Old October 17 2013, 05:57 AM   #361
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Re: The Single Worst Line of Dialogue in the entire Star Trek Franchis

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I have never been in the military. If I wear a military uniform, it is a costume, since I have not earned the right to wear it as a uniform. Q obviously had not earned that right either, so maybe thats why Picard calls it a "costume" in that instance.
Cue: "But you can't deny Captain, that you're still a dangerous, savage child race."

Picard: 'Most certainly I deny it. I agree what we still were when humans wore costumes like that four hundred years ago."


Problem with that siskokid888 is Picard isn't referring to Q in the uniform as wearing a costume, he is obviously referring to the military uniform itself as a costume.


If a modern day person saw what French Aristocrats dressed like (the big poofy outfits, the makeup and stuff) would he be impressed or would he think "Whoa, what a weird costume"?

Keep in mind, Picard is 400 years ahead of us, folks then would look back at what we wear and consider some of them strange costumes. That's just how we all usually act.

I mean, plenty of us deride Star trek Clothes are weird costumes, they'd probably think the same of what we wore, military or otherwise.
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Old October 17 2013, 06:34 AM   #362
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From Wesley:

"How can a chemical substance provide an escape?"

followed closely by:

"So you mean I'm drunk! I feel strange, but also good."

I still cringe all these years later!
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Old October 17 2013, 10:04 AM   #363
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I can't see how anyone can take seriously a clothing critique from a grey-haired man that works in an oversized pair of gymjams. (Patrick Stewart's word).
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Old October 17 2013, 01:40 PM   #364
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Re: The Single Worst Line of Dialogue in the entire Star Trek Franchis

when crusher said if there is nothing wrong with me, then there is something wrong with the universe.
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Old October 17 2013, 02:17 PM   #365
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when crusher said if there is nothing wrong with me, then there is something wrong with the universe.
No way!

I love that line.

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Old October 17 2013, 04:20 PM   #366
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"I'm from Starfleet. We don't lie."
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Old October 17 2013, 04:37 PM   #367
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I can't see how anyone can take seriously a clothing critique from a grey-haired man that works in an oversized pair of gymjams. (Patrick Stewart's word).
Depends on how easily you can see the context of the line and not be super-offended a fictional guy from the future is making the same critiques about us that we'd be making about our own ancestors from hundreds of years ago.
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Old October 17 2013, 08:36 PM   #368
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At the time I think Picard was treating the uniform as a symbol for the motives of 20th century wars. Acquiring territory, building power, murdering people of different religions, getting oil, spreading philosophy by force. Those are all the things Q was criticizing humanity for and he was using his particular uniform as a symbol of those qualities. 'Costume' was clearly a poor choice of words as it did imply he was talking about all military service, but he clearly did not intend to disparage those who serve in the military to defend their country.

Remember this came out less than 20 years after Vietnam, and Vietnam generated movies like Full Metal Jacket and Apocalypse Now.
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Old October 17 2013, 10:20 PM   #369
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Worf: THIS IS SEX!



TNG season 1. *shudder*
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Old October 18 2013, 04:47 AM   #370
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There was a TNG episode - can't remember which one - where Picard said something like "set a course for the Klingon Imperial Empire". I wouldn't necessarily call it the worst line in Trek history, but its glaring redundancy is cringe worthy. It eludes me why a classically trained Patrick Stewart agreed to say it this way - it should have sounded weird to him too.
Sins of the Father, the episode that introduced us to Kurn, Duras, K'mPec and the Klingon High Council. And yes, the line is cringe-worthy. Still redundant, but better sounding, would have been "The Imperial Klingon Empire."
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Old October 18 2013, 04:56 AM   #371
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I'm surprised that nobody caught the redundancy of that line during filming. There are other examples, like the episode (can't remember which now) where Picard hails an alien world from the "starship vessel Enterprise."

(OT: I've grown to dislike the Klingons-as-Warrior-Race trope but I have to admit I do have a big ol' soft spot for K'mPec. Well-played as a pragmatic statesman working expertly in a decidedly un-pragmatic culture.)
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Old October 18 2013, 11:00 AM   #372
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For me is got be this exchange from every star trek incarnation ever:

random crewmember: 'bridge to captain'

Captain: 'go ahead'

random crewmember: 'there's something here you should see'

Whilst i get it's a conceit so the audience doesn't know what to expect but it just annoys me. The Captain never does what any normal person would do and say 'what is it'.

Also more combination of a situation and dialogue. Whenever an alien manages to bypass security controls get a shuttle and mask their warp trail. The responses to the captains various orders are 'i can't', 'i've been locked out', 'they're gone'. No one ever seems astonished that trained crewmembers who were able to secure a post on an advanced starship would fuck up so royally.

It happend so frequently on Voyager and is just such horrible, lazy writing. Janeway was never like 'what the fuck Harry, you're incompetent in every fucking episode'. 'Here's a formal warning to get your shit together or you get demoted to janitor'.
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Old October 18 2013, 12:01 PM   #373
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(OT: I've grown to dislike the Klingons-as-Warrior-Race trope but I have to admit I do have a big ol' soft spot for K'mPec. Well-played as a pragmatic statesman working expertly in a decidedly un-pragmatic culture.
One of my favorite moments is where Worf suddenly strikes Duras to the ground, the shot cut to Kmpec and he is quietly nodding.

In my own mind the Klingons as warrior/soldier race thing never bothered my, because in my own mind probably very few of them are. It's a leadership - ruling family thing. A requirement to get into high office.

Look at how many American presidents have been former military officers.

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Old October 18 2013, 01:33 PM   #374
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I have to agree with the self-referential (bordering on cringeworthy) "and you're astronauts on some kind of...star trek!" from ST:FC. I know the writers meant it as cute, but it was just painful.

I have not watched Enterprise, but those two examples given earlier (about the Prime Directive and Dr. Soong's ancestor) sound similarly cringeworthy.
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Old October 18 2013, 06:06 PM   #375
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I have to agree with the self-referential (bordering on cringeworthy) "and you're astronauts on some kind of...star trek!" from ST:FC.
It sounds like the kind of thing that they put in movies today just so they can then put it in the trailers.

Like Carol Marcus in her underwear, it did nothing for the last movie's plot, but it was featured in all the trailers.

FC was before my time, was that line in the trailers?

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