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Old September 16 2013, 12:55 AM   #346
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Re: The Single Worst Line of Dialogue in the entire Star Trek Franchis

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"When I was in my early twenties on a trip to East Africa, I saw a gazelle giving birth. It was truly amazing. Within minutes, the baby was standing up, standing up on its own. A few more minutes, and it was walking; and before I knew it, it was running alongside its mother, moving away with the herd. Humans aren't like that, Ambassador. We may come from the same planet as those gazelles, but we're pretty much helpless when we're born. It takes us months before we're able to crawl; almost a full year before we can walk. Our deep space mission isn't much different. We're going to stumble, make mistakes - I'm sure more than a few, before we find our footing. But we're going to learn from those mistakes. That's what being human is all about. I'm sorry you can't see that. "
Well, it's an entire speech, not a line. Why is it "bad"?
Well, first, in the episode where it appears, the Vulcans are trying to get Earth to recall Archer on the grounds that his operational recklessness set off the atmosphere on Tinder Box Planet, killing thousands, while Archer's got the proof that it was Suliban or whatever did it. So, what he should be emphasizing is, the thing the Vulcans are (rightly!) outraged by was the sabotage of people trying to get Archer's mission cancelled and not any inherent idiocy on Archer's part.

Second, the argument amounts to, ``you say we're not competent to do this job, and you're right, we're not, so we should keep doing it in the hopes that maybe someday we'll become competent''. There is a sensible argument to be made out of this --- that one can't be fully experienced without the experience --- but it's made in a muddled way that only works if the speaker is trying to appeal to sentiment, which indicates that Archer isn't aware of who his in-universe audience is.
Which I mentioned in a post that followed.
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Old October 15 2013, 07:27 PM   #347
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Re: The Single Worst Line of Dialogue in the entire Star Trek Franchis

Kirk's line of "Did we ... make a difference?" in GENERATIONS. So self-serving ...
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Old October 15 2013, 09:32 PM   #348
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In TMP, (a movie I love BTW) we get this exchange when Spock returns to the ship and is lying in sickbay:

Shatner: Spock

Kelley: Jim

Shatner: Bones!

That's dialogue?
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Old October 15 2013, 09:56 PM   #349
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In "Encounter at Farpoint", Q appears on the bridge in an American military officer's uniform (Army or Marine Corps, I forget which now). Picard snaps at Q about the "costume" he is wearing, which I have always found to be extremely offensive, as if anyone that was serving in a uniformed service prior to the existence of the enlightened ranks of Starfleet is some kind of barbarian or crackpot. Picard never applies this judgement to his own ancestors' military service, however, most notably the Picard that served in the battle of Trafalgar. Hypocrite.
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I have never been in the military. If I wear a military uniform, it is a costume, since I have not earned the right to wear it as a uniform. Q obviously had not earned that right either, so maybe thats why Picard calls it a "costume" in that instance.
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Old October 16 2013, 01:31 AM   #350
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There are many contenders from "Turnabout Intruder," "Spock's Brain" and "The Omega Glory." But what really gets on my tits are Dramatic Moments when the ship has just completed an adventure, helm asks for a new heading... and the Captain stares mistily off into the distance and Says Some Bullsh*t.

For this trope, I couldn't quite say whether Kirk's "Second star to the right... and straight on 'til morning" or Picard's "Let's see what's out there!" is worse. I think the first one, though. (Oh wait... The Motion Picture. "Out there... Thataway!" That's the winner.)
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Old October 16 2013, 04:17 AM   #351
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Riker in Insurrection - "We're through running from these bastards!"

Ugh.
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Old October 16 2013, 06:46 AM   #352
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siskokid888 wrote: View Post
I have never been in the military. If I wear a military uniform, it is a costume, since I have not earned the right to wear it as a uniform. Q obviously had not earned that right either, so maybe thats why Picard calls it a "costume" in that instance.
Cue: "But you can't deny Captain, that you're still a dangerous, savage child race."

Picard: 'Most certainly I deny it. I agree what we still were when humans wore costumes like that four hundred years ago."


Problem with that siskokid888 is Picard isn't referring to Q in the uniform as wearing a costume, he is obviously referring to the military uniform itself as a costume.


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Old October 16 2013, 08:01 AM   #353
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only started watching the original series for the first time ever

In the episode The enemy within evil kirk assaults Yeoman Rand and tries to rape her
Spock says at the end of the show that evil kirk " had some interesting qualities"


Seems Janice Rand was not happy with that episode and very unhappy with how spock would brush off a rape attempt like that
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Old October 16 2013, 09:40 AM   #354
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^ One way to read that would be that Spock and Rand are very close friends, and Spock could basically "get away" with saying something like that.

Spock: "Chica, you've be saying forever ya be want'n the man ta show and do ya."

Rand: "Oh bitch please, you did not just throw that."


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Old October 16 2013, 03:01 PM   #355
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^ One way to read that would be that Spock and Rand are very close friends, and Spock could basically "get away" with saying something like that.

Spock: "Chica, you've be saying forever ya be want'n the man ta show and do ya."

Rand: "Oh bitch please, you did not just throw that."
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Old October 16 2013, 03:21 PM   #356
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I have never been in the military. If I wear a military uniform, it is a costume, since I have not earned the right to wear it as a uniform. Q obviously had not earned that right either, so maybe thats why Picard calls it a "costume" in that instance.
Cue: "But you can't deny Captain, that you're still a dangerous, savage child race."

Picard: 'Most certainly I deny it. I agree what we still were when humans wore costumes like that four hundred years ago."

Problem with that siskokid888 is Picard isn't referring to Q in the uniform as wearing a costume, he is obviously referring to the military uniform itself as a costume.


Yea, looking at the full quote you're right. Poor choice of words by the writers.
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Old October 16 2013, 04:30 PM   #357
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Into Darkness, the conference room scene right before Khan attacks, Kirk says something like:

In the event of an attack, standard protocol is to gather all the captains and first officers here in this very...

Why does this line have to exist? Without it, we could have just assumed that somebody chose these specific people to be at this meeting for something approaching logical reasons, but with it, we are forced to assume that Starfleet as an organization is so stupid that it's standard protocol to assemble all captains *and* first officers *in the same room* whenever there is an attack, that room being also the same room that they always use for this sort of thing *and* having no particular security to speak of.
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Old October 16 2013, 04:48 PM   #358
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I have never been in the military. If I wear a military uniform, it is a costume, since I have not earned the right to wear it as a uniform. Q obviously had not earned that right either, so maybe thats why Picard calls it a "costume" in that instance.
Cue: "But you can't deny Captain, that you're still a dangerous, savage child race."

Picard: 'Most certainly I deny it. I agree what we still were when humans wore costumes like that four hundred years ago."

Problem with that siskokid888 is Picard isn't referring to Q in the uniform as wearing a costume, he is obviously referring to the military uniform itself as a costume.


Yea, looking at the full quote you're right. Poor choice of words by the writers.
The line is just a product of its time(post-vietnam, pre-gulf war.) Heck, a few months prior to TNG starting up, Platoon won best picture for 1986, both at the Academy and at the Globes.
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Old October 16 2013, 06:49 PM   #359
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we are forced to assume that Starfleet as an organization is so stupid that it's standard protocol to assemble all captains *and* first officers *in the same room* whenever there is an attack, that room being also the same room that they always use for this sort of thing *and* having no particular security to speak of.
The sad part is, that's an improvement in behaviour for nuTrek Starfleet.
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Old October 16 2013, 07:48 PM   #360
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There was a TNG episode - can't remember which one - where Picard said something like "set a course for the Klingon Imperial Empire". I wouldn't necessarily call it the worst line in Trek history, but its glaring redundancy is cringe worthy. It eludes me why a classically trained Patrick Stewart agreed to say it this way - it should have sounded weird to him too.
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