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Old July 21 2013, 10:45 PM   #31
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Re: Alexander Siddig Interview: He reveals anger over changes to Bashi

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You know, I feel for Siddig a lot --- I don't know if this was covered in the interview, but Siddig was originally planned to play the part of Sisko. They didn't tell him they moved his part from Sisko to the Doctor (who as of that point was unnamed) until after he had already moved to America and until he showed up to shooting the day of.

Berman kind of screwed him, then screwed him then screwed him some more and I do really feel for the guy a lot. I mean how would ANYONE feel moving their entire life for a lead part only to get on set and find out not only aren't you the lead anymore, the writers have barely fleshed out your new character. It's only one step better then showing up to the set and finding out you no longer have a job.

The only redeeming fact about it is I had heard that because of his SGA contract, they didn't change his salaary at all; so they essentially paid Brooks and Siddig as the leads until at least season 3 when the contracts got renegotiated.

Regardless, no matter how you parse it, you *HAVE* to feel for the guy.
Wow, I was completely unaware of this!
I strongly doubt anybody had intentions of casting El Fadil as Sisko; he had hardly any acting credits to his name. Rick Berman had seen him in a Lawrence of Arabia prequel, playing the Alec Guinness character. And anyway, all the main actors signed six year contracts, which is why Terry Farrell left. Her contract allowed her to.
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Old July 21 2013, 10:50 PM   #32
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Where did you guys hear that Siddig had originally been cast as Sisco? That's the first I've heard that story....
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Old July 21 2013, 10:52 PM   #33
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Re: Alexander Siddig Interview: He reveals anger over changes to Bashi

I can believe he originally auditioned for the role instead of Bashir, but this suggestion that Berman told him he had the gig, with the contract signed, only for him to arrive in Hollywood and be told he was playing a totally different part, is surely too Machiavellian?
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Old July 21 2013, 11:15 PM   #34
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Where did you guys hear that Siddig had originally been cast as Sisco? That's the first I've heard that story....
They apparently changed their mind because he looked too young to portray Sisko.
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Old July 21 2013, 11:18 PM   #35
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I never even made the connection that the actor was Arab until I saw him in Syriana. He speaks in a perfectly British accent and is very light skinned.

Also DS9 was before 2001. Now, if they had put an Arab captain on Enterprise, that would have been a real statement. That's what they would have done if they were serious about keeping Star Trek progressive, not that stupid mindmeld AIDS crap.
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Old July 22 2013, 12:37 AM   #36
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I strongly doubt anybody had intentions of casting El Fadil as Sisko; he had hardly any acting credits to his name. Rick Berman had seen him in a Lawrence of Arabia prequel, playing the Alec Guinness character. And anyway, all the main actors signed six year contracts, which is why Terry Farrell left. Her contract allowed her to.
Yes, it's pretty common kowledge El Fadil was Berman's first choice to play Sisko., as Berman and Piller talked about it in early DS9 interviews.
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Old July 22 2013, 12:57 AM   #37
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Also DS9 was before 2001. Now, if they had put an Arab captain on Enterprise, that would have been a real statement. That's what they would have done if they were serious about keeping Star Trek progressive, not that stupid mindmeld AIDS crap.
I think a black captain and woman captain will be as far as they take it. Disappointed they went back to white male for ENT.
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Old July 22 2013, 01:25 AM   #38
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You know, I feel for Siddig a lot --- I don't know if this was covered in the interview, but Siddig was originally planned to play the part of Sisko. They didn't tell him they moved his part from Sisko to the Doctor (who as of that point was unnamed) until after he had already moved to America and until he showed up to shooting the day of.

Berman kind of screwed him, then screwed him then screwed him some more and I do really feel for the guy a lot. I mean how would ANYONE feel moving their entire life for a lead part only to get on set and find out not only aren't you the lead anymore, the writers have barely fleshed out your new character. It's only one step better then showing up to the set and finding out you no longer have a job.

The only redeeming fact about it is I had heard that because of his SGA contract, they didn't change his salaary at all; so they essentially paid Brooks and Siddig as the leads until at least season 3 when the contracts got renegotiated.

Regardless, no matter how you parse it, you *HAVE* to feel for the guy.
Wow, I was completely unaware of this!
I strongly doubt anybody had intentions of casting El Fadil as Sisko; he had hardly any acting credits to his name. Rick Berman had seen him in a Lawrence of Arabia prequel, playing the Alec Guinness character. And anyway, all the main actors signed six year contracts, which is why Terry Farrell left. Her contract allowed her to.
If I am not mistaken, it was in the movie "The Captain's Chair" where they talked about all the captains and their thoughts behind who they were casting. If my memory serves me, the same video also talked about the changes between Pike and Kirk, the search for Picard and how hard of a time they had finding just the right person to play the part and Geneviève Bujold originally as Janeway. I seem to recall Robert Picardo hosting the video, but I feel like I am WAY off on that one; I think that's another one he hosted.
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Old July 22 2013, 06:10 PM   #39
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I think a black captain and woman captain will be as far as they take it. Disappointed they went back to white male for ENT.
Star Trek has always pretended to be forward thinking and progressive, but I'm not sure it ever was. Thinking that having a female captain was making a big bold statement in a time when powerful female CEOs were already commonplace showed me just how far behind Trek actually was.
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Old July 22 2013, 06:49 PM   #40
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But those weren't really milestones anyway. TOS had shown us black and latino Commodores, TWOK gave us a black starship captain, and TVH a black woman captain. That was more to do with how DS9 and Voyager were publicised.

And on that, while I don't remember too many column inches about Sisko's race, I do remember quite a bit of fanfare and backslapping about the bold decision to hire a woman to be the latest captain when Voyager came about.

I do wonder how much more diverse and progressive the show would have been had the writers had free reign, rather than having to get past the "small-c" conservatives who had the final word at Paramount. It's little things like the original intention of Frakes to have same sex couples in Ten Forward in 'The Offspring' (quickly shut down once word got out), The Blood and Fire debacle, and the amount of hand-wringing that preceded 'Rejoined'.

I guess that's what happens with first-run syndication, when it's not just one network you have to contend with. I can understand the ultra-cautious nature of many of the decisions in the early nineties, and I think it's easy now to forget how much has changed socially in that short time.
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Old July 22 2013, 06:53 PM   #41
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I liked him in the beginning when he was a wanker and I liked him in the middle when he was a genetically modified wanker and he was okay in the end when they forgot about the wanker part or maybe he just grew up and I very much liked him and Ezri getting together. One of the few Trek romances that really worked.
I agree with this. I think DS9 tried very hard not to have the 'character getting laid this week' scenario. They had more leeway to develop proper relationships but I never got any chemistry from Kira and Odo. It was much better when he was secretly moonstruck and she was oblivious.
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Old July 22 2013, 06:56 PM   #42
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I think a black captain and woman captain will be as far as they take it. Disappointed they went back to white male for ENT.
Star Trek has always pretended to be forward thinking and progressive, but I'm not sure it ever was. Thinking that having a female captain was making a big bold statement in a time when powerful female CEOs were already commonplace showed me just how far behind Trek actually was.
I think you're wrong. There are women astronauts today who say they were inspired by Janeway.
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Old July 22 2013, 07:22 PM   #43
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But those weren't really milestones anyway. TOS had shown us black and latino Commodores, TWOK gave us a black starship captain, and TVH a black woman captain. That was more to do with how DS9 and Voyager were publicised.

And on that, while I don't remember too many column inches about Sisko's race, I do remember quite a bit of fanfare and backslapping about the bold decision to hire a woman to be the latest captain when Voyager came about.

I do wonder how much more diverse and progressive the show would have been had the writers had free reign, rather than having to get past the "small-c" conservatives who had the final word at Paramount. It's little things like the original intention of Frakes to have same sex couples in Ten Forward in 'The Offspring' (quickly shut down once word got out), The Blood and Fire debacle, and the amount of hand-wringing that preceded 'Rejoined'.

I guess that's what happens with first-run syndication, when it's not just one network you have to contend with. I can understand the ultra-cautious nature of many of the decisions in the early nineties, and I think it's easy now to forget how much has changed socially in that short time.
I think one could argue the reason that there weren't too many trumpets being herald for DS9 having a black captain has a lot to do with TPTB deciding on Avery Brooks only after the cast was technically already locked in. Avery Brooks, IIRC, didn't even apply for the part, Berman approached him.

With Voyager, it was determined they wanted a female captain much earlier in the process, though in fairness, they had considered a male captain at one point. I know Robert Picardo originally auditioned for that part, but unlike the fiasco with Siddig, they knew they wanted Robert Picardo on cast, just not as captain.

You know, after a fashion, that does make me sit back think about the what ifs of Picardo being the captain of Voyager. By the end of the season, I feel he was probably the one who pushed his limits most as an actor on that series and makes me really feel like he could have taken the lead role and done some awesome things with it. Oh the what ifs, lol.
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Old July 22 2013, 07:29 PM   #44
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I didn't think Voyager could try any harder to clone TNG, but imagine if they had a bald guy named Picard-o as the captain!
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I didn't think Voyager could try any harder to clone TNG, but imagine if they had a bald guy named Picard-o as the captain!
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