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Old July 16 2013, 05:13 AM   #16
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Picard's brother, nephew, sister-in-law, and that Louis guy were all French but spoke English - to each other! - in France! - with English accents.

That either means English has become Earth's primary language by the 24th century and the English accent spread out to the continent, or perhaps Picard was speaking French the whole time and the univeral translator gives him the accent.
Why would the UT give Picard an English accent?
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Old July 16 2013, 05:15 AM   #17
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Picard's brother, nephew, sister-in-law, and that Louis guy were all French but spoke English - to each other! - in France! - with English accents.

That either means English has become Earth's primary language by the 24th century and the English accent spread out to the continent, or perhaps Picard was speaking French the whole time and the univeral translator gives him the accent.
Why would the UT give Picard an English accent?
Why would the UT give some random Cardassian or Romulan an English accent?
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Old July 16 2013, 05:18 AM   #18
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Picard's brother, nephew, sister-in-law, and that Louis guy were all French but spoke English - to each other! - in France! - with English accents.

That either means English has become Earth's primary language by the 24th century and the English accent spread out to the continent, or perhaps Picard was speaking French the whole time and the univeral translator gives him the accent.
Why would the UT give Picard an English accent?
Why would the UT give some random Cardassian or Romulan an English accent?
Hoshi Sato had an odd sense of humor.
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Old July 16 2013, 05:42 AM   #19
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No one ever realized that Hoshi programmed LinguaCode® synthesizers to give Vulcans Andorian accents.
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Old July 16 2013, 10:17 AM   #20
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I'm sure this is addressed somewhere. Why was Picard conceived as being French. Why, once a English actor was cast, did he remain French? Why not recon the part to be British or even have Stewart use a fake French accent? Why the hardline push for Picard being French?
I think him trying to do a French accent would have been painful and terrible for everyone involved. To make the character BRITISH you'd have to at the very least give the character a new name and potentially change some other character details that may have been in the series bible. But, really, I'm not clear why. Those could all be hurdles, sure, but not impossible ones to get through. But it could just boil down to they liked the name Jean-Luc Picard for the name of the character and probably just assumed that sometime between "now" and "then" French people merge culturally (at least linguistically. I believe Data even says French is a "dead language") with Brittan. Once a unified Earth happened it's likely a LOT of cultural borders broke down especially if travel between countries and such became easier and faster (there may be something in a non-canon background about Picard having doing extensive schooling in England.)
The French are very proud of their culture and language, sure a lot can happen over the course of a few hundred years. Even today travel bewteen the UK and France is very easy. But take for example the recent EU-US trade talks, their was an exception made for Culture mainly to placate the French regarding Films and TV as some in France feel their culture is being overtaken by American and to a lesser extent British media.
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Old July 16 2013, 10:21 AM   #21
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He should have used this accent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGNVU5ZjlgA
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Old July 16 2013, 01:30 PM   #22
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To me the real question is, why no one in TNG - not even Picard himself - is able to pronounce his name properly
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Old July 16 2013, 01:59 PM   #23
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Why was Picard conceived as being French. Why, once a English actor was cast, did he remain French?
Why not? Do all French people behave the same? Holy national stereotype, Batman.

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even have Stewart use a fake French accent?
That would have been terrible.

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Indeed, Received Pronunciation is a legitimate magnet in today's world for those aspiring to speak English (...) And if I am not mistaken, it is the way that most Europeans are taught English.
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Old July 16 2013, 02:34 PM   #24
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What would have been weird is Stewart performing Picard with a Yorkshire accent.
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Old July 16 2013, 02:36 PM   #25
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^^Well as least on the European mainland.
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Old July 16 2013, 02:40 PM   #26
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What would have been weird is Stewart performing Picard with a Yorkshire accent.
Being a Shakesperean enthusiast, I would have loved in he spoke in Original Pronunciation.

To me the real question is, why no one in TNG - not even Picard himself - is able to pronounce his name properly.
Though I speak French very well, I was shocked when I heard proper pronunciation of his name, not just in French, but in German! Of course, I think I also associated him with the Picardy region (the d would be pronounced), even though he was from Eastern France.
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Old July 16 2013, 02:48 PM   #27
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To me the real question is, why no one in TNG - not even Picard himself - is able to pronounce his name properly
For us non-Europeans, what would the correct pronunciation be?
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Old July 16 2013, 02:56 PM   #28
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Italian voice actors also made a very good job at pronouncing it correctly, I think.

Eta: The final -d is silent.
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Old July 16 2013, 03:04 PM   #29
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To me the real question is, why no one in TNG - not even Picard himself - is able to pronounce his name properly
I always found it amusing that Riker said the name "Jean-Luc Picard" with more of a French accent than Picard himself used.
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Old July 16 2013, 03:18 PM   #30
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To me the real question is, why no one in TNG - not even Picard himself - is able to pronounce his name properly
For us non-Europeans, what would the correct pronunciation be?
Well there are two things: In French a "d" at the end is usually silent. So it would be pronounced "Picar" rather than "Picard". The other is the "u" in Luc, which is difficult to convey, since this sound doesn´t exist in the English language. In German it is the letter "ü" or u-umlaut. I´m aware that doesn´t help much.
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