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Old July 16 2013, 04:14 AM   #46
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Re: So the EMH Never Heard of the Dominion

But that doesn't mean the Doctor would've known. He was "born" in the DQ with a limited set of knowledge and expanded it selectively based on what he found interesting and useful to know. There could've been enormous gaps in his knowledge. Heck, we all have gaps in our knowledge compared to other people. For instance, I live in the United States, but I couldn't tell you much of anything about contemporary American pop music or sports, because I don't pay attention to those things.
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Old July 16 2013, 04:37 AM   #47
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Voyager's disappearance also had little, if any, impact on DS9, even though the station would be a likely place from which to spearhead a search for the ship. Along with the ignorance of the Dominion among Voyager's crew, this reveals how little interest there was in tying the two series to one another.
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Old July 16 2013, 04:49 AM   #48
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It's a big universe, and each crew had their own problems to focus on. How much interacting between DS9 and VOY could be expected?
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Old July 16 2013, 04:54 AM   #49
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It's a big universe, and each crew had their own problems to focus on. How much interacting between DS9 and VOY could be expected?
I don't believe I raised interaction as an issue. I'm merely pointing out that there was little effort by the production staffs of both shows to keep them in the same narrative universe. Of course, the same could be said of the use of the Defiant and Worf in First Contact and the limited impact it had on DS9.
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Old July 16 2013, 05:08 AM   #50
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Same narrative universe? I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by that. I think it was very clear both shows were Trek.
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Old July 16 2013, 05:29 AM   #51
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Was there ever even a throwaway line on DS9, about Voyager disappearing somewhere in the nearby Badlands? Seems like there should have been a search or recon probe.
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Old July 16 2013, 05:42 AM   #52
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No, no mention of Voyager's disappearance on DS9. But would a lost starship be DS9 and Sisko's problem? Wouldn't Starfleet Command be in charge of the search? Sisko's authority was limited to the station; he wasn't in charge of Starfleet activity outside the station. Was he?
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Old July 16 2013, 01:17 PM   #53
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Sisko's authority was limited to the station; he wasn't in charge of Starfleet activity outside the station. Was he?
Every retrace your footsteps? The station was the last Federation outpost Voyager visited and was nearest to the location where it disappeared. It would be logical that DS9 would be an organization point for a search and rescue, regardless of who would command that mission.
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Old July 16 2013, 02:03 PM   #54
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^True, but it wouldn't be Sisko's responsibility to organize the search, would it? Starfleet probably has a whole department devoted to keeping track of which ships are "missing" and how long they've been "missing". How long does Starfleet wait until deciding to search for a missing starship? Days, or months?
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Old July 16 2013, 02:33 PM   #55
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it wouldn't be Sisko's responsibility to organize the search, would it?
I never claimed it would.
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Old July 16 2013, 02:51 PM   #56
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No you didn't. But if there were a search, months later, would Sisko even be questioned about his interaction with Janeway? Would Command even bother stopping at DS9? I think not. The ship was last known to be in the Badlands, so the search would start there, not DS9.
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Old July 16 2013, 03:06 PM   #57
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I'm merely pointing out that there was little effort by the production staffs of both shows to keep them in the same narrative universe.
Well, that's not surprising, since one was in syndication and the other was on UPN. There was no guarantee that viewers in any given market would be able to see both shows. So each show had to be able to stand on its own with minimal reference to the other. Recall how Buffy and Angel crossed over heavily when they were on the same network, but the crossovers mostly ended when Buffy switched to a different network.
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Old July 16 2013, 03:53 PM   #58
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I think the trouble is that in alot of ways Voyager is a step or two behind DS9 in its take on those events, even though cosmetic details (like the comm badges) indicate otherwise. In terms of its writing, "Caretaker" seems to take place within spitting distance of TNG season seven, what with all the build up about the Maquis and everything. It follows quite naturally from the events depicted in TNG "Premptive Strike", which makes sense as VOY was in development during that period. But DS9 "The Jem'Hadar" and DS9 "The Search" really do blow the flood gate open in terms of expanding the Alpha Universe mythology in a whole new direction, and VOY unfortunately starts out from a point which feels several steps behind those galaxy-shattering events. It's all a bit of a muddle.
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Old July 16 2013, 04:25 PM   #59
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No, no mention of Voyager's disappearance on DS9. But would a lost starship be DS9 and Sisko's problem? Wouldn't Starfleet Command be in charge of the search? Sisko's authority was limited to the station; he wasn't in charge of Starfleet activity outside the station. Was he?
As the ranking officer in the Bajoran sector, he had authority over any matter pertaining to Starfleet that happened within said region. I doubt his authority would have extended to the Badlands, but he certainly could have been involved in a search for a missing ship, similar to how neighboring police departments might collaborate to solve a crime or find a missing person. Also recall that he was asked by Starfleet to deal with the Maquis threat when it first emerged, so he clearly had authority over more than just the station.

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Old July 16 2013, 04:35 PM   #60
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I think the trouble is that in alot of ways Voyager is a step or two behind DS9 in its take on those events, even though cosmetic details (like the comm badges) indicate otherwise. In terms of its writing, "Caretaker" seems to take place within spitting distance of TNG season seven, what with all the build up about the Maquis and everything.
Though unsatisfactory, this is probably true. Although Quark and the station appear in the pilot, it did seem at the time that Voyager was positioned more as a successor to TNG rather than a spin-off of DS9. Certainly, "The Defiant" helped bridge the Maquis story between series, but it took more than a season for it to be taken up again on DS9 in any significant manner, whereas it was everpresent on Voyager.
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