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Old July 13 2013, 11:30 PM   #16
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EDIT: Ok, I skimmed the article which pretty much lost my interest after "Any creature on screen minus a 'Y' chromosome tends to be a side player in this cinematic universe."

Why does this need to be a male vs female thing?
...because it is?

Even if one accepted your premise that directors are always hired based on their ability and no other factors (and I don't for the reasons Harvey cited), that quote is referring to the content of the movies. If superhero films are overwhelmingly concerned with their male characters, with almost exclusively male protagonists and very often dealing primarily with the male characters, then that is a way in which superhero films are gendered.

If you want to say it's a good thing or a neutral thing, then fine, whatever. But it is a thing, it is an observation that is empirically true.
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Old July 13 2013, 11:31 PM   #17
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It doesn't have to be a thing.
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Old July 13 2013, 11:34 PM   #18
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But it is, and this conversation is (presumably) addressing that.

Wonder Woman or Black Widow films seem like the kind of obvious and yet curiously non-discussed routes for the two major franchises in terms of protagonist.
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Old July 13 2013, 11:38 PM   #19
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But it is, and this conversation is (presumably) addressing that.

Wonder Woman or Black Widow films seem like the kind of obvious and yet curiously non-discussed routes for the two major franchises in terms of protagonist.
Widow will be in the new Captain America movie.

I have no idea what WB plans to do with Wonder Woman. They've always seem embarrassed of the character.
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Old July 13 2013, 11:41 PM   #20
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Which underlines my point, don't it. The one female superhero in the Marvel film universe can basically travel between franchises as a supporting player in different character's movies.
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Old July 13 2013, 11:47 PM   #21
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It's gonna be a challenge no matter who directs it. WW is just a hard character to make relatable to audiences-- she's an Amazon warrior from a hidden island that is ruled by women and somehow looks like Ancient Greece. And she's also got superpowers and can fly and/or pilot an invisible jet.

Somehow they'd have to find a way to get inside her head and make us truly understand her and what she's thinking, like MOS did with Superman. Or give her some kind of unique character arc like Marvel did with Thor, when he got knocked down a peg and work his way back up.

But I'm not really sure how.
Wonder Woman's mythos presents many problems, but the basic hook to the character, particularly in her first appearance, is really not that hard. Diana's a newcomer, who has long dreamed of exploring the wider world, which she's been sent to save. She believes in peace, justice, all that stuff -- not really that different from other superheroes.

Regarding the OP, Bigelow has some genre experience in the past, though at this point I'm not sure whether she's really interested in going back to that. But if she was interested in doing a Wonder Woman film adaptation, I'd see it.
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Wonder Woman or Black Widow films seem like the kind of obvious and yet curiously non-discussed routes for the two major franchises in terms of protagonist.
Wonder Woman's been discussed ad nauseum. The WB just has no idea how to do it; but then, on the whole they've been pretty indecisive at actually producing superhero films.

A solo movie for Black Widow I suspect has been discussed. I know Johansson has made some random mentions about the idea in the past. So far Marvel hasn't really made any moves to spin any of the supporting heroes from The Avengers into their own films, but if RDJ isn't up for more Iron Man movies, that may create more spaces in their calendar to go that route.
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Old July 13 2013, 11:53 PM   #22
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Wonder Woman's mythos presents many problems, but the basic hook to the character, particularly in her first appearance, is really not that hard. Diana's a newcomer, who has long dreamed of exploring the wider world, which she's been sent to save. She believes in peace, justice, all that stuff -- not really that different from other superheroes.
If a lesser known Thor can succeed as a movie with his epic fantasy background, so can a more well known Wonder Woman.

Hell, we already have a decent animated Wonder Woman movie. WB could use that as a kind of model for a live action WW film.
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Old July 13 2013, 11:59 PM   #23
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It doesn't have to be a thing.
But in the real world it is

OT: I would be interested in seeing her Wonder Woman.

And one way they should look at it is how WW's current title does it. Urban Fantasy. It's great.

That said, super hero movies seem to be a boys club.
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Old July 14 2013, 12:00 AM   #24
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Wonder Woman's mythos presents many problems, but the basic hook to the character, particularly in her first appearance, is really not that hard. Diana's a newcomer, who has long dreamed of exploring the wider world, which she's been sent to save. She believes in peace, justice, all that stuff -- not really that different from other superheroes.
Part of the problem could be that the basic hook is a little too similar to Superman.
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Old July 14 2013, 12:03 AM   #25
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Wonder Woman's mythos presents many problems, but the basic hook to the character, particularly in her first appearance, is really not that hard. Diana's a newcomer, who has long dreamed of exploring the wider world, which she's been sent to save. She believes in peace, justice, all that stuff -- not really that different from other superheroes.
Part of the problem could be that the basic hook is a little too similar to Superman.
...no, it's really not. Superman was born on Krypton, but he's functionally a Kansan. The world is foreign to him; he's of it. Diana's not.
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OT: I would be interested in seeing her Wonder Woman.

And one way they should look at it is how WW's current title does it. Urban Fantasy. It's great.
I think the single-biggest difficulty in adapting Wonder Woman (apart from studios' anxiety around tentpole films starring women) is the lack of a real comics consensus on her mythos. Dating back to her creator, Diana's best runs have generally been very specific to the vision of the author (George Perez, Greg Rucka, etc.), and haven't had tremendous success in defining a status quo for others to use (Perez and Rucka were both followed by writers who immediately dismantled most of what they had focused on; or, in Rucka's case, he was compelled to do it himself). This results in things like the lack of a firm "home base" in the real world, almost no consistent supporting characters, and a rogue's gallery has plenty of potential but which has never been properly developed.*

There are other issues, of course, some of which relate to elements of Marston's original outline. For Marston it was critical that the Amazons were actually a civilization superior to our world, but there are a lot of creators this clearly rubs the wrong way (Geoff Johns and Bruce Timm, for instance); while others lean more toward making the Amazons more like the mythological Amazons.

* Gail Simone's run was particularly annoying in this regard, because I know for a fact that she read a very detailed fan overview of the pitfalls the past writers had fallen into with regard to handling Diana's villains. Pitfalls which her own run then fell into anyway.
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Old July 14 2013, 12:10 AM   #26
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I'd love to see it - but I have doubts Kathryn Bigelow would even WANT to do it.
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Old July 14 2013, 12:31 AM   #27
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I'm not familiar with Bigelow, as far as I know I don't think I've ever seen anything she's directed, but I love the idea of a woman directing a WW movie. It's not that I believe that only a woman could direct it, or anything, I just think it's a really cool idea.
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Old July 14 2013, 01:24 AM   #28
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Wonder Woman's mythos presents many problems, but the basic hook to the character, particularly in her first appearance, is really not that hard. Diana's a newcomer, who has long dreamed of exploring the wider world, which she's been sent to save. She believes in peace, justice, all that stuff -- not really that different from other superheroes.
If a lesser known Thor can succeed as a movie with his epic fantasy background, so can a more well known Wonder Woman.
I think that is exactly the problem with Wonder Woman. People like the general idea of a female protagonist superhero called Wonder Woman, but really they are pretty cold to the actual Wonder Woman character itself.

And there is a lot of stuff there that people don't like that is part of her character, which you can't toss out.
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Old July 14 2013, 01:29 AM   #29
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Like what? There's some basic stuff, Amazon, lasso maybe, but what's annoying and critical to the character?
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Old July 14 2013, 01:42 AM   #30
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I don't follow superheroes much but I do find it utterly bizarre that we got a Green Lantern movie (who?) before there was a Wonder Woman movie, a character I'd actually heard of and has a degree of visibility. But then, apparently the superhero cinema playpen is restricted to guys as protagonists as much as it is, apparently, directors.
I really enjoyed the GL movie, but I agree it's kinda surprising that he of all characters got a movie before WW.

Hell, I would have expected to see a Flash or Supergirl movie before a GL one.
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