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View Poll Results: How do you rate Pacific Rim?
A+ 31 24.80%
A 35 28.00%
A- 15 12.00%
B+ 25 20.00%
B 7 5.60%
B- 2 1.60%
C+ 2 1.60%
C 1 0.80%
C- 1 0.80%
D+ 1 0.80%
D 1 0.80%
D- 3 2.40%
F+ 0 0%
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Old July 15 2013, 03:02 PM   #91
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People say they want intelligent and good sci-fi films, and yet, instead of supporting them, they support shit like Grown Ups 2?
Actually I think it's only the critics and scifi fans who are really calling for intelligent and good scifi. Most of the moviegoing public is perfectly content with their stupid comedies, formulaic horror movies, and endless sequels.
Right. "People" are not an undifferentiated mass with uniform tastes. And really, it stands to reason that the things that have the broadest appeal are going to be ordinary and average, while exceptional things are going to be of narrower interest.


Although to be fair, I'm a huge scifi fan and even I wasn't sure I wanted to see PR for a long while, thanks to the rather generic and uninspired trailers that made it look like some Transformers/Cloverfield knockoff. I can only imagine how disinterested and turned off the general audience must have been-- so clearly I think there was a marketing issue here as well.
I was always interested because of what I read about online, but I agree, the commercials did make it seem too much like a Transformers knockoff. Those who only knew about it from commercials wouldn't have really gotten it.


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There seems to be a lot of "Its the end of the first quater . . . who won the game?" mentality on this board. Personally, I think the fact that this movie will appeal to teenagers means this could have enough legs to exceed $120-130 million domestically and 2 1/2 to 3 times that internationally.

I personally think Grown Ups two has burned through its goodwill and that movie will virtually dissapear in the next two weeks while PR will get repeat and word of mouth viewers. Seriously . . . who would sit through Grown Ups two twice?
And again, it's a mistake to think the two films are in competition with each other. Rather, each one is in an independent competition with its own budget and box-office expectations.

Although I have to admit, I doubt Grown-Ups 2, whatever that is, has a budget anywhere near that of Pacific Rim, so if it's outperforming PR at the box office, that suggests it's exceeding its budget far more than PR is.
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Old July 15 2013, 03:32 PM   #92
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There seems to be a lot of "Its the end of the first quater . . . who won the game?" mentality on this board. Personally, I think the fact that this movie will appeal to teenagers means this could have enough legs to exceed $120-130 million domestically and 2 1/2 to 3 times that internationally.

I personally think Grown Ups two has burned through its goodwill and that movie will virtually dissapear in the next two weeks while PR will get repeat and word of mouth viewers. Seriously . . . who would sit through Grown Ups two twice?
And again, it's a mistake to think the two films are in competition with each other. Rather, each one is in an independent competition with its own budget and box-office expectations.

Although I have to admit, I doubt Grown-Ups 2, whatever that is, has a budget anywhere near that of Pacific Rim, so if it's outperforming PR at the box office, that suggests it's exceeding its budget far more than PR is.
I didn't mean to suggest they were.

My point was that I believe that the target audience for Grown Ups doesn't include many repeat viewers while Pacific Rim does and that poor word of mouth will burn through the target audience of GU2 even faster than it normally would and won't have the legs of the original Grown Ups.

It doesn't mean Sandler and company won't make a lot of money . . . its just going to end up as a very forgettable film of 2013 whereas the original was a surprise, breakout hit.
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Old July 15 2013, 04:23 PM   #93
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And who's bright idea was it to build a giant concrete/steel wall around cities? I anticipate a worldwide concrete shortage during the contruction of . . . I dunno . . . the first 100' tall, 50-60' wide concrete wall's construction. And you are going to build those all over the world? Huh???? Good luck with that.
Yeah that seemed pretty goofy to me as well. If those creatures could tear apart and destroy a giant metal robot, surely they could tear through a simple wall.

Or hell, even crawl over the damn thing.
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Old July 15 2013, 04:31 PM   #94
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^Haven't seen the film yet, but isn't the point of the story that the defense walls are a bad idea, that the governments are fooling themselves to believe they're a better solution? It seems to me that hiding behind walls is pretty symbolic of living in denial.
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Old July 15 2013, 04:35 PM   #95
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If there's a sequel and we're faced with a Cat 6 or 7 kaiju, maybe we'll see a super Jaeger a la Voltron
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Old July 15 2013, 05:29 PM   #96
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^Haven't seen the film yet, but isn't the point of the story that the defense walls are a bad idea, that the governments are fooling themselves to believe they're a better solution? It seems to me that hiding behind walls is pretty symbolic of living in denial.
Yeah that was probably the intention, but once you see what the kaiju are capable of in the early part of the movie, you have a hard time believing ANYONE could seriously think a wall would stop them.

I think a better alternative might have been surrounding the cities with those giant plasma cannons the Jaegers use to blast the Kaiju with (after first wasting a lot of time punching and throwing them around first). Since it's usually what ends up killing them in the end anyway.
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Old July 15 2013, 05:41 PM   #97
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Yeah that was probably the intention, but once you see what the kaiju are capable of in the early part of the movie, you have a hard time believing ANYONE could seriously think a wall would stop them.
Right now, in real life, we have many members of the US Congress who believe that Creationism is scientific or that women's bodies can "shut down" pregnancies due to rape or that trying to reform and improve the health-care system is socialism. So no, I have no trouble accepting that political leaders could be that blind to reality.
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Old July 15 2013, 06:43 PM   #98
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I think a better alternative might have been surrounding the cities with those giant plasma cannons the Jaegers use to blast the Kaiju with (after first wasting a lot of time punching and throwing them around first). Since it's usually what ends up killing them in the end anyway.
I agree that the stand off weapons like the rockets and the plasma gun seemed to be pretty effective. But it also seemed like the Kaiju didn't show themselves until they openly attacked (it seemed like every Jaeger got surprised unless they found a Kaiju already busy destroying stuff). It seems like extreme cold (the coolant) and heat (the afterburners) was also effective at damaging the Kaiju.

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Old July 15 2013, 06:49 PM   #99
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A-, due only to some nagging little issues with, of all things, the science.

Otherwise, yeah, it's my favorite movie so far this year. Spectacularly WHEEEEEEEEE kinda fun. If you aren't smiling from ear to ear through most of it, your inner child is dead.
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Old July 15 2013, 06:59 PM   #100
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Yeah that seemed pretty goofy to me as well. If those creatures could tear apart and destroy a giant metal robot, surely they could tear through a simple wall.

Or hell, even crawl over the damn thing.
Or as it turns out . . . fly over.
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Old July 15 2013, 09:56 PM   #101
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^I get the feeling that the wings were a new development.

Saw the movie today. Great fun. Had a big grin all the way through. Would have liked at least couple shots of the fights from above though, maybe from a helicopter pilot's POV.


Man I hope this manages to drag out enough profit for a sequel.
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Old July 16 2013, 12:30 AM   #102
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Government boondoggles like the wall would fill up more than several times the running time of the movie. That's not hard to belive... If you go by the logic of the movie, the Jaeger program was a failure too... Once there were hundreds, only four were left... They were no longer effective as the aliens adapted their monsters. It's likely only a new Jaeger program with improved systems would have worked.
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^I get the feeling that the wings were a new development.

Saw the movie today. Great fun. Had a big grin all the way through. Would have liked at least couple shots of the fights from above though, maybe from a helicopter pilot's POV.


Man I hope this manages to drag out enough profit for a sequel.
We're talking about a sequel here.. The appearance of wings negates the wall and makes a new Jaeger program inevitable.
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Government boondoggles like the wall would fill up more than several times the running time of the movie. That's not hard to belive... If you go by the logic of the movie, the Jaeger program was a failure too... Once there were hundreds, only four were left... They were no longer effective as the aliens adapted their monsters. It's likely only a new Jaeger program with improved systems would have worked.
Well, remember; the reason given in the film was that the Kaiju were destroying the Jaegers faster than they could be built. That said; after they had an incident where a Kaiju breached a wall like it was nothing (and was defeated by the one (and only) Jaeger Mk V; you would have thought someone, somewhere would say:

"Hey, maybe we SHOULD start funding the program again? It may be a loosing battle, but it still works better than these walls."

(But again, applying any logic to this film really ruins the fun of stuff like: "Where the hell's my shoe??!!")

[And I'm said to see the film underperforming in the U.S. -- although indications show it opened very strong overseas and should really be a hit in japan as this is the kind of film (with these level of digital effects) they would love to make, but just don't have the budget resources as spending that much locally would net zero profit for them.]
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^Haven't seen the film yet, but isn't the point of the story that the defense walls are a bad idea, that the governments are fooling themselves to believe they're a better solution? It seems to me that hiding behind walls is pretty symbolic of living in denial.
After 12 years of warfare and the fact that the Jaegers were losing so to some people a wall was a good idea. Then one Kaiju blew though the wall and made some workers on the wall think otherwise.
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