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Old July 12 2013, 02:57 PM   #16
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Re: Daniel Craig and Sam Mendes confirmed for Bond 24

Casino Royale has the best Bond villain since Auric Goldfinger, but suffers from a really boring final act. Every time I watch it I'm engrossed, then zone out entirely for the last 25 minutes.
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Old July 12 2013, 03:56 PM   #17
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So the next Bond movie will be going up against Marvel's Antman?
Ant-Man will move.
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Old July 12 2013, 07:59 PM   #18
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As a lifelong Bond fan, I wish I could be excited by this, but after Skyfall I've been forced to admit that Daniel Craig is never going to be my James Bond. Why the ultimate male wish-fulfillment character has been turned into this sullen, joyless, eternally-burdened fellow, who seems always to be having a miserable time of it, is a mystery to me. Even the sex scenes have become grudging and perfunctory, as if showing Bond taking any pleasure in life at all is now verboten.

Mind you, I'm not advocating Roger Mooresque campfests, but rather the tone that the likes of Connery and Dalton struck: a man of violence and ruthless skill, yes, but also a man whose enjoyment of the world and its finer things was palpable. Dalton, in particular, showed it's possible to play Bond with an actorly seriousness without turning him into Craig's stone-faced latter-day Job. A certain undercurrent of angst is welcome ("If [M] fires me I'll thank him for it"), but shouldn't overwhelm the character in pursuit of the tiresome "dark and gritty" pretensions so beloved of current franchise movies (and which the splendid Star Trek into Darkness blessedly eschewed).
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Old July 12 2013, 08:08 PM   #19
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Glad to hear it. Other than one or two minor things I adored Skyfall. It was a little bit more of an M film than a Bond film but that's fine with me considering M was played by Judi Dench. Casino Royale is still my favorite Bond movie (and I don't think it'll be displaced even if a better Bond film arrives) but Skyfall is probably a close second.
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Old July 12 2013, 08:21 PM   #20
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Despite some plot holes and unrealistic events (as far as one can speak about realism in Bond movies) Skyfall was one awesome Bond movie.. in the same league as Casino Royale and i have a hard time deciding which one is better.

These news excite me.. i loved how they tied in Skyfall into the greater Bond universe by reintroducing familiar elements like Moneypenny, Q or the Walther PPK but giving them their own spin.

I'm also curious how they will go on from Skyfall and how many Bond movies Craig has left.. as iconic as Connery was and as fitting as Brosnan was (to bad his Bond movies were utter crap scriptwise) i like Craig best as Bond because he brings a whole different energy to the game.
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Old July 12 2013, 08:38 PM   #21
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Teh Craig era Bond films did seem to be doing a bit of creating the Bond universe or rather re-creating. As you said Moneypenny, M's new office which has echos of the earlier ones.

But Skyfall was certainly a popular movie, Coming in at number 2 for the 2012 box office.
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Old July 12 2013, 09:09 PM   #22
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Mind you, I'm not advocating Roger Mooresque campfests
I love Roger Moore.
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Old July 12 2013, 09:27 PM   #23
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Skyfall is absolutely beautiful, probably the best-photographed Bond film ever.

It's also completely, utterly stupid, and it boggles my mind that John Logan continues to get work.
This. So very this.
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Old July 12 2013, 09:39 PM   #24
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A certain undercurrent of angst is welcome ("If [M] fires me I'll thank him for it"), but shouldn't overwhelm the character in pursuit of the tiresome "dark and gritty" pretensions so beloved of current franchise movies (and which the splendid Star Trek into Darkness blessedly eschewed).
STID has plenty of dark grit compared to the previous films.
Was it the lack of comic relief in SKYFALL that put you off?
That may the biggest difference between the two movies.

When M and Bond were gearing up for the climax, I kept wondering why Eve wasn't around instead of M. It's obvious now. Moneypenny doesn't do climaxes of any kind.
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Old July 12 2013, 10:08 PM   #25
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STID has plenty of dark grit compared to the previous films.
Was it the lack of comic relief in SKYFALL that put you off?
That may the biggest difference between the two movies.
Despite the title, I didn't find the overall tone of STiD excessively dark at all. Yes, there was death and sorrow, but there was also color and humor and energy. There was friendship, love, camaraderie, and casual sex with twin catgirls. There were heroes tempted to hatred and vengeance (those favorite Hollywood character motivations) who found their better instincts. There were actors who brought spirit and wit to their performances, instead of mistaking unrelieved dourness for artistry.

Basically, it was a movie that left me feeling exhilarated and buoyant -- feelings I have sadly resigned myself to never taking away from a CraigBond film.
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Old July 12 2013, 10:16 PM   #26
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Glad to hear it. Other than one or two minor things I adored Skyfall. It was a little bit more of an M film than a Bond film but that's fine with me considering M was played by Judi Dench. Casino Royale is still my favorite Bond movie (and I don't think it'll be displaced even if a better Bond film arrives) but Skyfall is probably a close second.
Casino Royale is still my favorite Bond movie too, then several Connery ones.

Skyfall was one of the better movies, but to be honest I'm not thrilled Mendes is back again. Not upset, but not thrilled...
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Old July 12 2013, 10:17 PM   #27
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Teh Craig era Bond films did seem to be doing a bit of creating the Bond universe or rather re-creating. As you said Moneypenny, M's new office which has echos of the earlier ones.
The Craig films are re-molding the Bond ethos into something that more closely resembles the James Bond of the books.

Casino Royale is a near perfect adaptation of the book of the same name, minus the added subplot of Bond gaining his 00 status and Le Chifre's plot to blow up the airliner (necessary expansions to make the film more cinematic).

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As a lifelong Bond fan, I wish I could be excited by this, but after Skyfall I've been forced to admit that Daniel Craig is never going to be my James Bond. Why the ultimate male wish-fulfillment character has been turned into this sullen, joyless, eternally-burdened fellow, who seems always to be having a miserable time of it, is a mystery to me. Even the sex scenes have become grudging and perfunctory, as if showing Bond taking any pleasure in life at all is now verboten.
This is actually a perfect example of how Craig's Bond resembles the Bond of the books. James Bond was never meant to be this awesome guy, he has always been "On Her Majesty's Secret Service", a government agent who does everything for the Crown. He's not supposed to enjoy life; no one should ever enjoy killing for a living. He's an assassin, but it's what he's paid to do. The books even describe how he's not supposed to fall in love, because that creates attachments that can be used against you. When he does fall in love, it bites him in the ass, and he learns a lesson. In Casino Royale, the line "the bitch is dead" is a direct lift from the book, where he realizes he was fooled by love but as a spy he's not allowed that luxury.
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Old July 12 2013, 10:22 PM   #28
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I had a lot of fun at Skyfall. Visually, it was the best looking Bond film in quite a while. As far as the writing went, the plotting was pretty stupid, but the character work was great. This was, perhaps, a bit of a reversal from a lot of earlier Bond films. Hopefully, they'll manage to do get right in the next installment, as they did in Casino Royale (I like Quantum of Solace, but it's brief running time didn't leave a lot of room for character development).
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Old July 12 2013, 10:34 PM   #29
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This is actually a perfect example of how Craig's Bond resembles the Bond of the books. James Bond was never meant to be this awesome guy, he has always been "On Her Majesty's Secret Service", a government agent who does everything for the Crown. He's not supposed to enjoy life; no one should ever enjoy killing for a living. He's an assassin, but it's what he's paid to do. The books even describe how he's not supposed to fall in love, because that creates attachments that can be used against you. When he does fall in love, it bites him in the ass, and he learns a lesson. In Casino Royale, the line "the bitch is dead" is a direct lift from the book, where he realizes he was fooled by love but as a spy he's not allowed that luxury.
I've heard the "bookBond" argument many times, and you make it better than most. But while I might at one time have found it persuasive, I don't have much interest in it anymore. MovieBond has had 50 years of storied cinematic history to become his own thing, and I'm not sure there's any inherent virtue in making the character slavishly "faithful to Fleming" -- at least not if it gives us Craig's glum interpretation as the result.

FWIW, Dalton also based his version of Bond on the literary source material, and was lauded by fans for doing so. Somehow, though, his Bond came out flinty and intense, but not perpetually po-faced like the current incarnation. Indeed, Dalton's may well be my favorite take on the character.
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As a lifelong Bond fan, I wish I could be excited by this, but after Skyfall I've been forced to admit that Daniel Craig is never going to be my James Bond. Why the ultimate male wish-fulfillment character has been turned into this sullen, joyless, eternally-burdened fellow, who seems always to be having a miserable time of it, is a mystery to me. Even the sex scenes have become grudging and perfunctory, as if showing Bond taking any pleasure in life at all is now verboten.
This is actually a perfect example of how Craig's Bond resembles the Bond of the books.
You are a fan of the films rather than the books - first and foremost I love the original Fleming creation and try to forget the tongue in cheek git from the middle era movies. That's nothing like Bond.

Craig and the current team have got it more 'right' than most. The resurrection of a failing franchise shows that audiences agree.

He's a killer, a cad and a connoisseur. He's NOT a load of laughs.
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