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Old July 13 2013, 11:29 PM   #16
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Re: Random Thoughts After a TOS Marathon

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(3) Zachery Quinto does a nice job as Spock, but he can't hold a candle to Leonard Nimoy. Perhaps not that original of an observation, but I'm blown away by Nimoy's portray of Spock.
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Yeah!
When a character is that minimal, the tiny artistic choices an actor makes are really pushed to the foreground.
It's amazing how Nimoy conveys such a memorable character with just a tilt of the head, a narrowing of the eyes, or other little details like that.
These characters, for the most part, defined the actors' careers as well as the reverse.

The fact that Shatner (I almost typed 'Kirk') was able to move on to other things and redefine his career as he went is a tribute to his ability as an actor.

Nimoy never really got past Spock, and the other original cast have not gotten past those roles either.

IMO, YMMV, whatever.
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Old July 20 2013, 12:15 AM   #17
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The fact that Shatner (I almost typed 'Kirk') was able to move on to other things and redefine his career as he went is a tribute to his ability as an actor.

Nimoy never really got past Spock, and the other original cast have not gotten past those roles either.
I blame Nimoys big time acting faults with type casting. People only saw a scientific alien when it came to Nimoy while the action star Shatner portrayed fell into many roles at the time.

Though I did find Nimoy singing to be catchy.
http://youtu.be/AGF5ROpjRAU
Peter Jackson got nothing on Nimoy IMO?
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Old July 21 2013, 04:18 PM   #18
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Though I did find Nimoy singing to be catchy.
http://youtu.be/AGF5ROpjRAU
Peter Jackson got nothing on Nimoy IMO?
Why did I look that up, it's still stuck in my head.
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Old July 21 2013, 06:13 PM   #19
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^ He sang it again recently

Nimoy is awesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPkByAkAdZs

About getting past Trek in terms of acting ability:


Anyways Nimoy did do other things besides Spock, it is just that Spock is such an iconic character of course he is going to be most associated with that. A lot of actors don't handle this well, I think Nimoy has and I have a lot of respect for him for that. Yeah I know there were the "I am Not Spock" days but I think that was taken out of proportion and he has certainly embraced his role as Spock now.

I like Shatner too (great sense of humor) but he is famous for being Shatner more so than being a great actor. I know he won an Emmy but I would still say his best known role of the general public is Captain Kirk.

De Kelley was in a lot of stuff before Trek. Never a leading actor but a good character actor, underrated in my opinion. I don't think he was given the chances he deserved and after Trek he was even a bit lazy by his own admission.
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Old July 22 2013, 11:57 PM   #20
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Re: Random Thoughts After a TOS Marathon

Watched a few episodes recently.

Who is Kirk's interior decorator?
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...sionhd0563.jpg
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...sionhd0570.jpg


Saw The Omega Glory for the first time in many many years. Did that society on its own develop the US constitution including "We the People"? I hadn't seen it in eons and thought it was externally introduced into that planet's society somehow but in rewatching it I don't think that was ever explained.
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Old July 25 2013, 05:29 PM   #21
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Watched a few episodes recently.

Who is Kirk's interior decorator?
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...sionhd0563.jpg
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...sionhd0570.jpg


Saw The Omega Glory for the first time in many many years. Did that society on its own develop the US constitution including "We the People"? I hadn't seen it in eons and thought it was externally introduced into that planet's society somehow but in rewatching it I don't think that was ever explained.
If you go by what was present in the story - THEY had the Constitution and the U.S. etc. before Earth did; as their war was many thousands of years earlier (and actually The Omega Glory was in the running to be the second pilot episode; and was finally used in TOS second season.)
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It was one of the stated premises of the show that they would encounter worlds with 'parallel development', similar to Earth's and an earlier episode that uses this premise is season one's Miri.
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Old July 26 2013, 02:17 AM   #22
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The main character dynamic in the Abrams films is impulsive Kirk / logical Spock. There's no room for Bones because Kirk is played up as Spock's opposite, rather than the man in the middle between opposites Spock and McCoy.

I think that's exactly right, and it is a major feature of JJ-Trek that rubs me the wrong way.

JJ-Kirk is an undisciplined, rebellious man-child because he was raised without a father. That makes some sense within the JJ-verse, but I don't like it. And it strains credibility to see him promoted to Captain.

JJ-Spock is nothing like TV Spock, largely because young Nimoy projected a persona that (I'll bet) JJ finds boring and sexless, and Quinto is a very different actor besides.
I got the impression from ST09 that leader type personality's are hard to come by at this time, reason why Pike was perusing him so vigorously. After seeing ID that idea was furthered with the glimpses given of everyday civilians on the street - what a bunch of idiotic looking goof-balls!

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Watched a few episodes recently.

Who is Kirk's interior decorator?
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...sionhd0563.jpg
Appears to be an Andorian antenna in the container above his left shoulder.
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Old July 27 2013, 04:17 PM   #23
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Though I did find Nimoy singing to be catchy.
http://youtu.be/AGF5ROpjRAU
Peter Jackson got nothing on Nimoy IMO?
You gotta wonder sometimes if just about everyone in the '60s was stoned.
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Old August 7 2013, 02:25 AM   #24
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Saw The Omega Glory for the first time in many many years. Did that society on its own develop the US constitution including "We the People"? I hadn't seen it in eons and thought it was externally introduced into that planet's society somehow but in rewatching it I don't think that was ever explained.
If you go by what was present in the story - THEY had the Constitution and the U.S. etc. before Earth did; as their war was many thousands of years earlier (and actually The Omega Glory was in the running to be the second pilot episode; and was finally used in TOS second season.)
^^^
It was one of the stated premises of the show that they would encounter worlds with 'parallel development', similar to Earth's and an earlier episode that uses this premise is season one's Miri.
My personal theory is that they are the descendants of a joint American/Chinese deep space colonization mission that encountered an anomaly and was thrown back in time.
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Old August 7 2013, 02:53 AM   #25
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(2) Compared to the "big three" of the television show (Kirk, Spock, McCoy), the big four of the movies (Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Uhura) just doesn't work for me.
As many others have noted, Kirk was the "Everyman" of TOS, with Spock and McCoy forming his conscience (devil and angel, logic and compassion). This trio is a perfect tool for telling stories, and the reason any additional characters are "supporting" (or guest stars, etc.).
I always thought of Spock as the logic, McCoy as the emotion, and Kirk as the wisdom combining the two.
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Old August 9 2013, 11:15 PM   #26
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(2) Compared to the "big three" of the television show (Kirk, Spock, McCoy), the big four of the movies (Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Uhura) just doesn't work for me.
As many others have noted, Kirk was the "Everyman" of TOS, with Spock and McCoy forming his conscience (devil and angel, logic and compassion). This trio is a perfect tool for telling stories, and the reason any additional characters are "supporting" (or guest stars, etc.).
I always thought of Spock as the logic, McCoy as the emotion, and Kirk as the wisdom combining the two.
Yup. Animus, anima, and whole person, respectively.
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Old August 10 2013, 02:30 AM   #27
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Re: Random Thoughts After a TOS Marathon

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Saw The Omega Glory for the first time in many many years. Did that society on its own develop the US constitution including "We the People"? I hadn't seen it in eons and thought it was externally introduced into that planet's society somehow but in rewatching it I don't think that was ever explained.
If you go by what was present in the story - THEY had the Constitution and the U.S. etc. before Earth did; as their war was many thousands of years earlier (and actually The Omega Glory was in the running to be the second pilot episode; and was finally used in TOS second season.)
^^^
It was one of the stated premises of the show that they would encounter worlds with 'parallel development', similar to Earth's and an earlier episode that uses this premise is season one's Miri.
My personal theory is that they are the descendants of a joint American/Chinese deep space colonization mission that encountered an anomaly and was thrown back in time.

The original story was conceived when Roddenberry thought Star Trek would be set far in the future. Thus the Yangs and Combs had left Earth about 1000 years ago with founding documents in hand, colonized this other planet, and had a nuclear war. The finished episode is faulty because it says the war was longer ago than the 23rd century setting would allow.
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Old August 10 2013, 02:44 AM   #28
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Watched a few episodes recently.

Who is Kirk's interior decorator?
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...sionhd0570.jpg
Has anyone ever identified the box behind Kirk's head? It seems more like a retail item than something the show would build from scratch.
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Old August 10 2013, 02:46 AM   #29
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The finished episode is faulty because it says the war was longer ago than the 23rd century setting would allow.
The fault is not within the episode, as TOS on television never precisely pinned down the century. The blame goes to TWOK (Star Trek II seems to be superceded by the Abramsverse), where we finally are told "In the 23rd century..."
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Old August 10 2013, 03:10 AM   #30
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The fault is not within the episode, as TOS on television never precisely pinned down the century. The blame goes to TWOK (Star Trek II seems to be superceded by the Abramsverse), where we finally are told "In the 23rd century..."
Khan also says, "On Earth, 200 years ago..." which contradicts that title card.

And there are a couple of items in TOS:

- Col. Felini told Kirk, "I'm going to lock you up for 200 years," which Kirk said was just about right. ("Tomorrow is Yesterday")

- Scotty said "Lincoln died three centuries ago" ("The Savage Curtain")

Both of those references put Star Trek 200 years after the time it was filmed. I don't like that either; I say it was casual talk not to be taken as exactly right. I say 300 years like the official Chronology does.
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