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Old July 14 2013, 12:30 PM   #61
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Re: Vorik the Ponfarr Vulcan

I know I would love to see Vorik mating with Garak.
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Old July 14 2013, 02:50 PM   #62
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I know I would love to see Vorik mating with Garak.
I love both characters, but not together. I thought everyone was saving Bashir for Garak...
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Old July 14 2013, 02:59 PM   #63
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Everyone in the future according to Roddenberry is bisexual.

Vulcan betrothals are "economic" or "status" transactions by the family heads.

Planning the shape of their families "finances" and the destiny of it's bloodlines, it's more than possible that "gay" marriages would be arranged on purpose so that land or ships can change hands, without having to worry about second generation losses from unproductive or inadequate progeny, where the "families" decide that they only want their intermingling to last a single generation since (cloning, I know.) it's difficult for like sexes to conceive.

So there's every chance that you're a seven old Vulcan and it's betrothal time, but the person waiting to join with you mentally is exactly the same gender as you are because the political union is more important than the production of children with shared lineage and the consolidation of familial power.
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Old July 14 2013, 05:22 PM   #64
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Everyone in the future according to Roddenberry is bisexual.
Wow that's an in-between the lines idea I didn't catch. How would the Vulcan kids know if they are bisexual when they are 7? Doesn't that take...experimentation after puberty?
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Old July 14 2013, 05:57 PM   #65
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Everyone in the future according to Roddenberry is bisexual.
Wow that's an in-between the lines idea I didn't catch. How would the Vulcan kids know if they are bisexual when they are 7? Doesn't that take...experimentation after puberty?
Vulcans are bad about having "sheep" mentality and just doing what older Vulcans tell them to. Most have their lives planned out form them by the time they're 7 so their personalities, desires, etc. don't factor in. Spock, Vorik, and Taurik are likely rebels to some extent for joining Starfleet.
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Old July 14 2013, 08:53 PM   #66
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Vulcans are bad about having "sheep" mentality and just doing what older Vulcans tell them to. Most have their lives planned out form them by the time they're 7 so their personalities, desires, etc. don't factor in. Spock, Vorik, and Taurik are likely rebels to some extent for joining Starfleet.
I don't know about that. There seem to be a lot of Vulcans in Starfleet. Entirely Vulcan ships even. Perhaps they're rebels for choosing to serve among us smelly humans.

I love both characters, but not together. I thought everyone was saving Bashir for Garak...
Some of us are saving Bashir for Picard. And Garak for Dukat.
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Old July 14 2013, 09:13 PM   #67
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Let's give Vorik to Chakotay so that the Chakotay/Seven romance never happens.
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Old July 14 2013, 10:03 PM   #68
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Let's give Vorik to Chakotay so that the Chakotay/Seven romance never happens.
Or it just takes a whole new dimension.
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Old July 14 2013, 10:34 PM   #69
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Chakotay was never going to be happy after Seska. She ruined him for all other women.
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Old July 14 2013, 11:07 PM   #70
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Everyone in the future according to Roddenberry is bisexual.
Wow that's an in-between the lines idea I didn't catch. How would the Vulcan kids know if they are bisexual when they are 7? Doesn't that take...experimentation after puberty?
In a preamble of the adaptation of the motion picture written by Roddenberry, a journalist is interviewing Kirk about his life on Enteprise during his historic 5 year mission and is under the mistaken belief that Kirk and Spock were lovers. Kirk says something like "He's a nice guy but I'm smart enough to chose a lover that wants to do it more than once every seven years." then there's a foot note at the bottom of the page that describes the sexual liberation in the 22nd century were every human being EXCEPT KIRK is bisexual.

It's all right at the beginning of the book.
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Old July 15 2013, 12:30 AM   #71
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Guy...you are an idiot. If you are going to throw out shit like that, best back it up with links to canon certified sites.

Sexual orientation is a choice and I do not believe for a second that Gene intended other wise.
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Old July 15 2013, 12:45 AM   #72
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You must own the book.

If you don't own the book then you aren't really trying.

If you can't read, there's a thing called "school" that might be able to help you.

At "school" they'll explain what "books" are.

The book was published in 1979. For 1979 that is progressive and good. Creator and executive producer of the series made a stand on gay rights when he didn't have to and no one else was interested. Good lord, homosexuality was only declassified as a mental illness they would lock you up in a padded room for in 1973, and here's a movie/book made just a couple years later postulating that there's a future where everyone is allowed to be as gay as they want to be without men with nets hunting them.

(I just had a classic Planet of the Apes flashback.)
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Old July 15 2013, 01:43 AM   #73
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Where is Therin, he likes talking about TMP and he's memorized the novel. I first heard about this from him.
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Old July 15 2013, 02:01 AM   #74
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Vulcan children would not know that they are bisexual. The point was in the future that sexual orientation does not exist. They're not instructed to be disgusted with same gendered sex like mostly we have been up to now. Sure personal preference is likely to lean towards one gender than the other because a dead on 50/50 split is mathematically unlikely, but even today no one is %100 percept gay or straight because even for the most hard-liners there's always a celebrity exception, booze/drugs or sometimes you just get lost in the middle of an orgy, these things happen.
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Old July 15 2013, 02:43 AM   #75
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Guy...you are an idiot. If you are going to throw out shit like that, best back it up with links to canon certified sites.

Sexual orientation is a choice and I do not believe for a second that Gene intended other wise.
Guy is like the Sultan of Sarcasm. Take him seriously at your own peril. Yet do not dismiss his cunning and intelligence. He's awfully perceptive at times.
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