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Old July 10 2013, 12:01 AM   #16
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Yes, because modern conservatives never take offense at anything.
I don't understand what you're getting at here?

I think there's a danger of developing a closed mind, consciousness and idea-space if people only encounter art from those who they agree with on every issue.

Not that I remotely understand how disagreeing with an author's view on marriage legislation would lead somebody to boycott a film adaptation of their work.
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Old July 10 2013, 12:07 AM   #17
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Yes, because modern conservatives never take offense at anything.
I don't understand what you're getting at here?
Your statement

I worry sometimes modern liberalism makes a virtue of being offended.
Making a virtue of being offended is hard a trait exclusive to liberals.
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Old July 10 2013, 12:07 AM   #18
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Re: Orson Scott Card "Please don't boycott my film!"

I've never had any reason to read his books, or see movie versions thereof. And now, I have even less.
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Old July 10 2013, 12:09 AM   #19
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Making a virtue of being offended is hard a trait exclusive to liberals.
It isn't, but it seems like a political ideology that elevates sensitivity in to being a competition, which is something I find unsettling in its insincerity.

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I've never had any reason to read his books, or see movie versions thereof. And now, I have even less.
Well, you're missing out on an excellent novel.
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Old July 10 2013, 12:11 AM   #20
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I'll be sitting this one out. I can easily enjoy pieces of art from those with differing political perspectives, but Card out and out spews hate at the gay community and I'm not going to help line his pockets.
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Old July 10 2013, 12:11 AM   #21
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Making a virtue of being offended is hard a trait exclusive to liberals.
It isn't, but it seems like a political ideology that elevates sensitivity in to being a competition, which is something I find unsettling in its insincerity.
Or maybe people are genuinely offended by things and ideas they don't like.
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Old July 10 2013, 12:12 AM   #22
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I loved the original Ender quartet, and I'm excited about the film. I disagree with Card's views on gays, but I don't do boycotts of those who hold different views from me.
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Old July 10 2013, 12:17 AM   #23
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Or maybe people are genuinely offended by things and ideas they don't like.
They're offended by ideas that aren't even in the story of Ender's Game. My favourite science-fiction author is Robert A. Heinlein and plenty of liberals hate his novels for the politics they (often arguably!) advocate. That at least on some level makes sense to me, as they don't wanna be upset by the different ideas presented.

This strikes me as absurd though. Issues like homosexuality and abortion are such down-the-line issues that if you were to boycott films produced by those you disagreed with on these issues, you wouldn't watch any big Hollywood movies.
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Old July 10 2013, 12:22 AM   #24
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Call me a Leftist Marxist but Art in some sense political
I've heard this before elsewhere and I just don't buy it, personally. I know of a guy who runs a blog that discusses Doctor Who through a socialist/Marxist perspective, and I just find it to be grasping at straws. There's nothing political about Spearhead from Space, it's just an adventure story and trying to link it to class oppression and such just dilutes and lessens discussion of the works of art that actually are political.

Not that I necessarily judge a political work of art based on my agreement of those politics either. I can separate what the politics actually are and how well the work of art argues for it. Everyone and their mother can name ones that have terrible political viewpoints in a well executed work, but to give a counter-example, I mostly agree with the assumptions behind Fahrenheit 9/11, that George W. Bush wasn't a good President, that the War in Iraq wasn't a good thing, etc., while still disliking the cheap, tacky and embarrassing deliberate editing used to argue the case.

I don't find films from people I outright disagree with enjoyable (*cough* Michael Bay *cough*)
Personally, I don't like his films because of their merits as a film. His political views wouldn't improve or diminish my opinions on them in any way.
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Old July 10 2013, 12:23 AM   #25
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Re: Orson Scott Card "Please don't boycott my film!"

If I wanted to boycott everything I watch or read written by someone I disagreed with politically I'd have to give up everything but the bible and the Left Behind series. (Let's face it, sci-fi and fantasy writing is dominated by leftists.)

That said, i'm not boycotting Ender's Game. I'm just not going to see it cause i thought the book was crap.
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Old July 10 2013, 12:24 AM   #26
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I don't have a problem watching or reading something from someone I disagree with (Clint Eastwood, for instance) but if the person is outright hateful like Card, I have no interest in reading his stuff or watching a film of his novel.
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Old July 10 2013, 12:25 AM   #27
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They're offended by ideas that aren't even in the story of Ender's Game.
You do know that the "evil" aliens are called "Buggers"

This strikes me as absurd though. Issues like homosexuality and abortion are such down-the-line issues that if you were to boycott films produced by those you disagreed with on these issues, you wouldn't watch any big Hollywood movies.
Some people may say that's not a bad thing. Me I think it's one good reason for piracy. I get to enjoy the movie while not giving a dime to people I disagree with. Not saying you should pirate Ender's Game
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Old July 10 2013, 12:26 AM   #28
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its not the film itself i'm boycotting, its the 'giving him more money to spend on hateful propaganda' part i'm concerned with.
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Old July 10 2013, 12:27 AM   #29
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They're offended by ideas that aren't even in the story of Ender's Game.
You do know that the "evil" aliens are called "Buggers"
I'm gonna regret this but... please explain?

Some people may say that's not a bad thing. Me I think it's one good reason for piracy. I get to enjoy the movie while not giving a dime to people I disagree with. Not saying you should pirate Ender's Game
I find it funny you take the moral highground, while openly admitting you're a thief.
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Old July 10 2013, 12:34 AM   #30
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I've heard this before elsewhere and I just don't buy it, personally. I know of a guy who runs a blog that discusses Doctor Who through a socialist/Marxist perspective, and I just find it to be grasping at straws.
What?! You didn't get that the Autons represented Communist infiltration/third column using Western consumerism as a cover to secretly promote Socialist revolutions. That the Doctor represented the British aristocracy (he is a Time LORD) and him working with Lethridge-Stewart signified the military-industrial complex. Man what were you watching
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