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Old July 7 2013, 10:03 AM   #1
Ain Jalut
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Can you ban your likenss from used as hologram?

If someone does not want their likeness in the holodeck. Let's say i am a famous hot chick and i want to keep my body and all it's versions to myself, can he/she stop it from being used?
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Old July 7 2013, 10:12 AM   #2
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Re: Can you ban your likenss from used as hologram?

It's hard to say for sure, but it doesn't sound like it:

Riker: This is a violation of protocol. Crewmembers should not be simulated in the holodeck.
La Forge: Commander I don't think there's any regulation against...
Riker: Well there ought to be.
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Old July 7 2013, 10:35 AM   #3
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Re: Can you ban your likenss from used as hologram?

I don't think so. All you need to create a hologram of someone is basically a picture. So short of banning people from taking pictures, I don't see how you can justify outlawing holograms. Really holodecks would seem to me just the next step in celebrity fanfiction.
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Old July 7 2013, 11:04 AM   #4
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Re: Can you ban your likenss from used as hologram?

that random vulcan on voyager had sex with a hologram, so would you want creepy pervs to have sex with a replica of you?
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Old July 7 2013, 03:02 PM   #5
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Re: Can you ban your likenss from used as hologram?

I don't think I'd have to worry about that...



Such bans today would be based on someone profiting from the use of your image, right?

So if someone is selling time in the holodeck, or selling holodeck programs with your likeness, to "creepy pervs" I suppose one would have a case against the proprietor/designer.

Or if she were so inclined, a "famous hot chick" could license her image to a holodeck program designer, and make millions. I could imagine a few "celebrities" today doing that if they could...

If there's no money changing hands (there's that "money in the future" thing again), I don't see how you could stop it.
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Old July 7 2013, 04:27 PM   #6
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Re: Can you ban your likenss from used as hologram?

junxon wrote: View Post
that random vulcan on voyager had sex with a hologram, so would you want creepy pervs to have sex with a replica of you?
If they chose my likeness out of hundreds of others i would feel honored.
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Old July 7 2013, 04:35 PM   #7
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Re: Can you ban your likenss from used as hologram?

Ain Jalut wrote: View Post
If someone does not want their likeness in the holodeck. Let's say i am a famous hot chick and i want to keep my body and all it's versions to myself, can he/she stop it from being used?
It might be possible if you had your likeness trademarked, but as others have suggested, the ban might only be limited to profiting from the likeness. If someone wants to use your likeness for recreational purposes, it's hard to know how you'd stop them from doing so. Even if you found a way to protect your image from being duplicated, who's to say an accomplished holographer or computer scientist doesn't create a close approximation of you?

Odo indicted that Quark could have been arrested for using Kira's image to create a hologram of her, but he was clearly trying to profit from the endeavor by selling the program to a business associate.

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Old July 7 2013, 04:53 PM   #8
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Even if you found a way to protect your image from being duplicated, who's to say an accomplished holographer or computer scientist doesn't create a close approximation of you?

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Something that I don't think is entirely clear is if all holographic images hold the same value. Those made by extrapolation from archived images or freehanded from memory might not be as accurate or desirable as those made with holographic cameras. The same could be said of the difference between an image of a president made from others and one made from a sitting of that president. Tiron might easily created an adequate hologram by having a computer synthesize available images; he might just impost her likeness on a generic humanoid form. On the other hand, he might be seeking a level of detail that is otherwise impossible without direct observation and recording of Kira's form.

If any of that is the case, than it might be possible for the individual to control their image and prevent an accurate hologram from being produced. That doesn't mean that a picture of their face won't be superimposed on a sex doll.
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Old July 7 2013, 06:42 PM   #9
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On the other hand, he might be seeking a level of detail that is otherwise impossible without direct observation and recording of Kira's form.
Or, as often may be the case in such things, it's the thought that counts: the simulation won't feel the same unless it has been obtained by violating Kira's privacy.

One thing to consider here is the multitude of cultures and legal systems involved. Virtual material like this would easily cross national borders and be highly legal in some places (i.e. you go to jail for trying to prevent people from freely exploiting images of you) and highly illegal in others. Somebody like Tiron might get his peeping done in free-thinking nation X, and then use the resulting simulation in nation Y where peeping carries an extended death penalty but simulation does not.

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Old July 7 2013, 07:15 PM   #10
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One thing to consider here is the multitude of cultures and legal systems involved. Virtual material like this would easily cross national borders and be highly legal in some places (i.e. you go to jail for trying to prevent people from freely exploiting images of you) and highly illegal in others. Somebody like Tiron might get his peeping done in free-thinking nation X, and then use the resulting simulation in nation Y where peeping carries an extended death penalty but simulation does not.

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That sounds about right. You'd think that Starfleet would have some policies in place regarding this, but who knows what goes on those dodgy Ferengi holosuites?
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Old July 7 2013, 08:25 PM   #11
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...And since we know that Starfleet does not have a regulation that would allow Riker to feed Barclay's "Cyrano de Bergerac" simulation back to the lieutenant through an inappropriate orifice, we can probably rest assured that UFP civilian law has nothing to offer to Riker in this respect, either.

Quark is a daring criminal whenever this benefits him, so his doings tell us relatively little about the law, any law (although they may tell quite a bit about Ferengi customs and mores). Sisko probably has a lot of pull on what Quark can and cannot do even if neither UFP nor Bajoran law quite supports him, but he has very little motivation to interfere in Quark's businesses usually. In turn, Odo is highly motivated, and wouldn't concern himself with either UFP, Bajoran or Ferengi law in cases that really mattered. The Kira-imaging thing obviously did matter to him, so we can't really tell what the point of the law would have been there.

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Old July 7 2013, 08:37 PM   #12
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Re: Can you ban your likenss from used as hologram?

Timo wrote: View Post
...And since we know that Starfleet does not have a regulation that would allow Riker to feed Barclay's "Cyrano de Bergerac" simulation back to the lieutenant through an inappropriate orifice, we can probably rest assured that UFP civilian law has nothing to offer to Riker in this respect, either.
Considering Barclay's version was 12-15 inches shorter than the real Riker, it could be argued that the recreation was not a direct copy, thus not a violation of Riker's privacy.
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Old July 7 2013, 08:47 PM   #13
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If there were regulations against this sort of thing in general, it would probably be a matter of consent rather than specifics. Picard wasn't delighted to see an imperfect likeness of him appear in the Captain Picard Day contest; Riker could declare himself offended by a cardboard image named "Dill Striker" and carry the day in court.

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Old July 7 2013, 09:15 PM   #14
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Re: Can you ban your likenss from used as hologram?

Image search engines will at some point be that good that they can recognizes faces with high certainty. So you will be able to put up a photograph of your face and search for all images on the web that contain your face.

Everything will be in the "cloud" at that point as well, so you WILL be able to search for everything.

And everyone else will be able to do the same.

Data security and privacy protection will have to be reassessed completely at that point.


So there might be a system where you can upload your own likeness and thus prevent anyone from using photographs of you without your permission.

Think of it as a modified image tagging that Facebook already has. Right now Facebook recognizes faces, and when someone tags you, you are asked if you agree with that. A preemptive version of it would be that Facebook automatically recognizes YOUR face and with the correct privacy settings the image will not be shown to the public unless you agree with it.
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Old July 7 2013, 09:36 PM   #15
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Re: Can you ban your likenss from used as hologram?

There's not a moral difference between a creepy guy taking a picture of anyone's face and photoshopping it to a picture of a naked body and using that as fuel for fantasies. Holograms would just be better technology of the same thing. Both DS9 and Voyager said you needed a giant bulky special camera to capture a full realistic 3d nude image. I can see -that- having restrictions, but otherwise I always assumed the computer just "fills in the gaps" with something realistic if the clothes come off in the program.
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