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Old July 8 2013, 02:01 PM   #76
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TNG, and all of Berman-Trek for that matter, had its day, but that day is over.
Pretty much, yep.

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^Bizarrely, I think they referenced the ST: B story in the 2009 movie when we learn that George Kirk's father was named Tiberius. Tiberius Chase was the name of the ST: B hero, an anscestor of James Kirk, in love with an admiral's daughter who lives in Iowa.
"Tiberius" has been Kirk's middle name for decades now. It's the "Tiberius Chase" character referencing Trek continuity, not the other way around.
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Old July 8 2013, 03:07 PM   #77
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Why can't they come up with something new? I'm really sick of all those remakes. If this trend continues, then we will never get anything original ever again ... just the same old characters and stories recycled over and over again.
There are only seven plots:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/b...ven-plots.html

http://lenwilson.us/seven-stories/

http://childrenspublishing.blogspot....asic-plot.html

David Gerrold, in his writers' workshops, argues there are only three:

Man vs Nature
Man vs Man (or Woman)
Man vs Himself.
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Old July 8 2013, 03:09 PM   #78
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"Tiberius" has been Kirk's middle name for decades now.
In "Bem" by David Gerrold, Filmation's TAS.
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Old July 8 2013, 05:40 PM   #79
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Oso Blanco wrote: View Post
Why can't they come up with something new? I'm really sick of all those remakes. If this trend continues, then we will never get anything original ever again ... just the same old characters and stories recycled over and over again.
There are only seven plots:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/b...ven-plots.html

http://lenwilson.us/seven-stories/

http://childrenspublishing.blogspot....asic-plot.html

David Gerrold, in his writers' workshops, argues there are only three:

Man vs Nature
Man vs Man (or Woman)
Man vs Himself.
Yeah it is really only three those others are just derivatives.

man against God = If God is a physical being then it is Man v. Man (which should just be called person v. person) If God is not a physical being then it is Man v. Nature.

man against society = Soecity meaning people, so Man v. Man

man caught in the middle = The middle of what? Person, place or thing. Those could all fall in to v. Man, v. Self, or v. Nature

man and woman = Man v. Man ie Person v. Person

I think we get the phrases Man vs. insert thing here is a result of the time it was coined, probably not a lot of Womanly stories at the time.
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Old July 8 2013, 06:57 PM   #80
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man and woman = Man v. Man ie Person v. Person
Not necessarily. The War of Roses is the kind of story that couldn't really be told any other way. "Man vs. Woman" is a unique type of fight, sort of like "Alien vs. Predator" only slightly more disturbing.
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Old July 8 2013, 07:11 PM   #81
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Therin of Andor wrote: View Post
Oso Blanco wrote: View Post
Why can't they come up with something new? I'm really sick of all those remakes. If this trend continues, then we will never get anything original ever again ... just the same old characters and stories recycled over and over again.
There are only seven plots:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/b...ven-plots.html

http://lenwilson.us/seven-stories/

http://childrenspublishing.blogspot....asic-plot.html

David Gerrold, in his writers' workshops, argues there are only three:

Man vs Nature
Man vs Man (or Woman)
Man vs Himself.
The only trouble with these practically arbitrary lists is that they aren't actually plots. Tragedy is a "plot?" ("Okay, so tell me the plot of the new movie." "Okay, are you ready? Here it is -- tragedy!") And "the quest" and "voyage and return" sound suspiciously like the same thing. Can't you slay a monster while on a quest? Or a voyage?

Joseph Campbell argued, convincingly IMO, that there is only one hero plot.
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Old July 8 2013, 07:27 PM   #82
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Well, he convinced a lot of Hollywood anyway.
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Old July 9 2013, 04:23 AM   #83
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Joseph Campbell argued, convincingly IMO, that there is only one hero plot.
Well, in the aforementioned David Gerrold workshop, after discussing examples of Man vs Nature, Man vs Man (or Woman)and Man vs Himself, IIRC, he said that you could also sum up every plot as "The Man Who Learned Better".


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Old July 9 2013, 06:45 AM   #84
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Back on topic.....

I overheard a guy say to his friends the movie was more epic than he expected it to be. I heard someone praising the music. Heard no negative comments at all. The general buzz was positive.
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Old July 10 2013, 03:59 AM   #85
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Meyer deserves credit too, since they followed the scene as framed by him.

I didn't sit through all the credits - was there no acknowledgment all all?
"Based on 'Star Trek' created by Gene Roddenberry" was the only such credit required. And given.

Did Nick Meyer acknowledge Horatio Hornblower's creators in his credits? Or those movies with ships at sea, or planes in battle, passing each other the way he did the homage with Starfleet vessels in ST II?
Rather different to taking lines and images directly from a film in a non-parody sense. I recall Harlan Ellison successfully fighting for credit in The Terminator for being inspired by portions of his work.

It may not have been strictly required, but an acknowledgment wouldn't have been undeserved.
'Khan and the Augments created by Carey Wilber and Gene L. Coon', perhaps?
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Old July 10 2013, 04:01 AM   #86
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Every character, every line of dialogue, every incident ever to have occurred in a Trek movie or tv episode is the property of Paramount and/or CBS, to use as they please.

Some creators are due payment for the use of characters, but they have no control.
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Old July 10 2013, 04:07 AM   #87
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Then I realized something, I was no longer having fun watching Star Trek. I had to re-evaluate why I was watching and if I wanted to keep watching going forward.
We had the same epiphany watching ST V. We'd heard all the rumours, had dutifully reported them in our newsletter's "special sealed section" and here they were, on opening night, coming true! We laughed like drains.

Similarly, I know some TNG resisters who finally got into it around about Season Three, but the bellyaching that TNG wasn't "real" Star Trek was quite hilarious and frustrating.

It seems that fandom forgives the "sins" of a new version of "Star Trek" every time the next new "Star Trek" comes along.
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It seems that fandom forgives the "sins" of a new version of "Star Trek" every time the next new "Star Trek" comes along.
Well, mine came along almost immediately after I saw the first J.J. Abrams film. I think its a fun movie but am lukewarm towards it because it does have many "plot difficulties".

But then I found that when I started rewatching the various shows, that most Star Trek has "plot difficulties".

Plus, I'm convinced that whether I like a particular Trek product or not that people watching it/buying tickets for it is good for the overall health of the franchise.
That's going to happen with Superman Returns, I predict.
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Old July 10 2013, 04:39 AM   #88
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Walking out of a mostly full theatre at the end of Star Trek Into Darkness, I didn't hear any conversations whatsoever. Which in it's self is weird. Nobody was discussing the movie we just watched, either for good or for bad. Nor was anyone talking about their plans for the rest of the night. Just a couple hundred people walking out of a movie theatre in relative silence while the Alexander Courage Star Trek theme played.

That was another weird thing. When I saw the last J.J. Trek in 2009 nobody left their seats until after Nimoy's "Space the final frontier..." speech and the Star Trek theme during the closing credits. At the end of Star Trek into Darkness people started walking out right when Pine started his "Space the final frontier..." speech. By the time he got to "...where no man has gone before." nobody was sitting and nearly half the audience was out the doors. I said after, that it was like leaving a hockey game with five minutes left in the third period. I just thought it was interesting the different reactions from audience members in 2009 and 2013.

When I got out of the theatre and when I was almost to the parking lot was the only time I heard anyone say anything about the movie. It was a group of teenagers smoking weed, and one of the girls said "So they can cure death now, with magic blood?" One of the guys then added "And they can beam anywhere in the galaxy." At which point I had walked past them but I heard a girl ask someone "Could they do that in the show?" To which some guy said something like "No... but then again the show was good and had good writers." There was laughter followed by someone saying "Well, the special effects were good..." Then I was out of earshot and nearly at my car.

That was all I had heard anyone say about STD the night I saw it.

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Old July 10 2013, 04:52 AM   #89
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When I got out of the theatre and when I was almost to the parking lot was the only time I heard anyone say anything about the movie. It was a group of teenagers smoking weed, and one of the girls said "So they can cure death now, with magic blood?" One of the guys then added "And they can beam anywhere in the galaxy." At which point I had walked past them but I heard a girl ask someone "Could they do that in the show?" To which some guy said something like "No... but then again the show was good and had good writers." There was laughter followed by someone saying "Well, the special effects were good..." Then I was out of earshot and nearly at my car.

That was all I had heard anyone say about STD the night I saw it.
I highly doubt it.
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