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Old July 6 2013, 02:25 AM   #31
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Why do people keep suggesting that ST'09 needs to be adjusted for inflation? Here in the US, a Dollar pretty much buys you now, what it did then, that was only 4 years ago. Heathcare/Health Insurance costs more today and Houses cost less, but, most everything else is pretty close to the same. Is there such a drastic difference in 4 years in other countries' inflation?
We don't have to adjust for inflation at all. Domestically, without inflation, and the last time I checked, STID was still behind. Internationally, it's ahead, so that helps. The massive marketing campaign they put together there worked, and so they should be proud of that.

I don't know about other countries' inflation rates, but the numbers are reported in US dollars, so I'm not sure that even matters.



LOL Therin, if they know Of Gods and Men, those weren't the people I meant, I meant the General Audience The Fans that would have those kind of conversations will see it no matter what is served up (Sure they may not like it, but, they'll watch it to make sure).
And that's where STID is missing numbers because it's not doing as well domestically. General audiences overseas appears to be a different story, though. For most people, I'd guess, if they are not interested in something, they don't complain about it. What happens is that they just don't see it. So, maybe there's your answer?
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Old July 6 2013, 02:49 AM   #32
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Then we have the people who want to claim that because STID had “competition” (isn’t that every film?) that this is the reason why it didn’t do as well domestically. I think if people want to see a movie, then they see the movie. If they don’t, then they don’t, but who can really say…
Well...

http://www.film-releases.com/film-re...edule-2009.php

You can believe what you want, but there were no billion dollar movies opening around Star Trek 2009.
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Old July 6 2013, 03:09 AM   #33
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Bill, I don't even have to click the link. Iron Man 3 came out 2 weeks before STID. It is not like they opened side-by-side. And again, if people want to see something, then they will.
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Old July 6 2013, 03:12 AM   #34
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Bill, I don't even have to click the link. Iron Man 3 came out 2 weeks before STID. It is not like they opened side-by-side. And again, if people want to see something, then they will.
And Fast & Furious 6 opened one week after. Star Trek 2009 faced off against X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Terminator Salvation and Angels & Demons. All three combined did less money than Iron Man 3.

Up didn't come out until three weeks after its release and was directed at a different audience and Transformers: The Revenge of the Fallen was six weeks later and Harry Potter was more than two months later.

Star Trek 2009 had three-weeks where it was competing against mid-range hits, Star Trek Into Darkness was sandwiched between two monster hits.
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Old July 6 2013, 03:50 AM   #35
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After the movie I heard people saying two things: how shocked they were that a Star Trek movie was so good, and how much they liked the way Zoe Saldana's character was handled.
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Old July 6 2013, 04:51 AM   #36
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^Okay, lol.

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Bill, I don't even have to click the link. Iron Man 3 came out 2 weeks before STID. It is not like they opened side-by-side. And again, if people want to see something, then they will.
And Fast & Furious 6 opened one week after. Star Trek 2009 faced off against X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Terminator Salvation and Angels & Demons. All three combined did less money than Iron Man 3.

Up didn't come out until three weeks after its release and was directed at a different audience and Transformers: The Revenge of the Fallen was six weeks later and Harry Potter was more than two months later.

Star Trek 2009 had three-weeks where it was competing against mid-range hits, Star Trek Into Darkness was sandwiched between two monster hits.
Which begs the question why wasn't it a "monster hit" by itself? You could say about Iron Man that STID came out just 2 weeks later, and, and then it was FF6...

And before you say something like, "Iron Man 3 had the Avengers to help it...", I'll just compare STID to Iron Man 2.

That wasn't a great film to me either (although I'd watch it again over STID), but it grossed $312mil domestically and about $312mil overseas for a total of about $624mil. It also only had one movie to go off of, and Iron Man, at least from what I've heard, was considered a "B-grade comic hero" to begin with when the first film came out. RDJ is a star now, but at the time he was still struggling to an extent when he got the Iron Man gig. I read that he just got the part, and I'm glad he did.

Anyway, same thing with Star Trek '09. No one was a big star, but Quinto had some notoriety with Heroes, and no one knew what was going to happen with a franchise that was decades old and a little worn after Nemesis. The first film was a success, like IM1, and the second film did better over seas than the first one, like IM2.

One difference, though, is the fact that the second movie only did $6mil less than the first over all domestically. We'll see where STID ends up, but it doesn't seem like it's tracking to close out only $6mil behind, and it has much better reviews and reported "word of mouth." Like I said before, it's something to look at.

Still, if you want STID to be the victim of other films, that's okay by me. I think I'm done here anyway, since we're off the topic of conversations after the film.
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From my view, Therin, they both had that. I thought the action was overdone in both.
But the STiD destruction stuff was always interspersed with snappy dialogue, character bits or other sequences. The battle in "Man of Steel" went on. And on. And on. And on. And on... I kept glancing at my watch.
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Old July 6 2013, 05:24 AM   #38
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I'll PM you my response.
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Rather different to taking lines and images directly from a film in a non-parody sense.
I would say it was homage.
I guess different people perceive things differently ... but to me, Kirk's death scene felt like a parody. And I heard quite a few giggles in the audience when Spock was doing the Shat, so I was definitely not alone with my feelings.

I really don't understand the writers here. There must be a way to stay true to Star Trek and use known things/people from the Prime Universe without blatantly ripping off previous episodes/movies. If I ever have to hear lines like "the needs of the many" or "I shall be and always have been your friend" again, I'll go nuts! Those lines were perfect in TWOK, and they should stay there! We really don't need TWOK quotes in every new movie that comes out ...
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Old July 6 2013, 08:41 AM   #40
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Rather different to taking lines and images directly from a film in a non-parody sense.
I would say it was homage.
I guess different people perceive things differently ... but to me, Kirk's death scene felt like a parody. And I heard quite a few giggles in the audience when Spock was doing the Shat, so I was definitely not alone with my feelings.
I almost giggled myself, until Spock's "Khan!" scream morphed right into the Vengeance's PLUMMETING OUT OF THE SKY scream.

It was like someone handing you a box of Koala Yummies and you giggle at the novelty and say "Yeah, I remember these! Haha!" then you open up the box and discover that it's FULL OF BEES.
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There must be a way to stay true to Star Trek and use known things/people from the Prime Universe without blatantly ripping off previous episodes/movies.
Like Gene Roddenberry recycling "The Changeling" (TOS), "One of Our Planet's is Missing" (TAS) and "Genesis II: Robot's Return" and "In Thy Image" as ST:TMP?

TNG recycling "The Naked Time" (TOS) as "The Naked Now"?
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TNG recycling "The Naked Time" (TOS) as "The Naked Now"?
Heck, Roddenberry pretty much recycled much of the set-up of Phase II with TNG.
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After the movie I heard people saying two things: how shocked they were that a Star Trek movie was so good, and how much they liked the way Zoe Saldana's character was handled.
Zoe Saldana was awesome as Uhura (and, obviously hot). After watching it a second time, I thought the pacing was pretty good, but - like the first film putting Kirk in the Captain's chair prematurely and not explaining why - the film introduced Khan without explaining the character. Is his name 'Khan' a title he gave himself in this new universe? Was he an East Indian who changed himself into a white guy? (Like the Asian characters in the James Bond film 'Die Another Day' - bringing up some question of Asian characters in films who desire to be white or desire whiteness).

Aside from the plot issues, the look of the Abrams film(s), music, acting and energy are top notch, I think. I don't think it's a financial disaster - it's already made too much money and it's still in theaters.

In regards to who should claim 'copyright' on the Khan character or sequences, I guess there are various sides....but - like Harlan Ellison - if Meyer, the estate of Jack Sowards, or the writers - or their estates - of Space Seed wanted to make a case, I personally think they could.

With the Terminator films, I could see similarities with Ellison's Soldier and Demon with the Glass Hand, after reading material on the dispute. I don't recall whether or not Cameron stated that Ellison was inspired by Ellison's writings before the lawsuit occurred; if I hadn't read Ellison's argument, I wouldn't have seen the direct connection. With TMP and the TOS episode The Changeling, I don't really see the direct connection, only the idea; many stories share the same idea. With Space Seed, Star Trek II, and STID, there probably could have been acknowledgement from the writers with each Khan 'sequel'...but I guess it's up to the writers (or their estates) of each installment if they wanted to make a legal case of the situation.
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Was he an East Indian who changed himself into a white guy?
Was he an East Indian who changed himself into a Mexican guy? Is a question you can easily ask of Space Seed.
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Was he an East Indian who changed himself into a Mexican guy? Is a question you can easily ask of Space Seed.
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