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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old July 4 2013, 01:44 AM   #16
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Re: Should Illia and Decker have survived ?

^The Romulans of TOS were virtually indistinguishable from Vulcans, though they did seem to wear less formal hairstyles. This was before the forehead ridges were introduced in TNG. In any case, I wouldn't necessarily have known that Saavik was Romulan if I hadn't read the TWOK novel.

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Old July 4 2013, 02:01 AM   #17
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Re: Should Illia and Decker have survived ?

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Plus, of the three, I think Khambatta was the most talented.
And vastly more beautiful, with or without hair.
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Old July 4 2013, 02:31 AM   #18
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Re: Should Illia and Decker have survived ?

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Not really, since Vulcans and Romulans are biologically identical. The Vulcan repression/control of emotions is a cultural development, not a biological one.
True, but if we're to believe Saavik's backstory, her being raised on Hellguard would certainly explain why she's rougher around the edges than the typical Vulcan.

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Yes, the Hellguard backstory created in TrekLit after the fact does explain it quite well, but not the mere fact of her parents' different cultures.
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Old July 4 2013, 08:15 AM   #19
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Re: Should Illia and Decker have survived ?

I think Deltans are one of the alien races that had quite a bit of story potential to mine. I would certainly have liked to see the characters stay around although I doubt Persis would have been keen to shave her head every 3 years...

I enjoyed the characters so much that I even went so far to have custom heads made for my DST TWoK action figures, along with Chapel and Rand. Still in the process of painting them.

I'm even writing a TMP era comic strip on Youtube - a sort of Star Trek/Babylon5 cross over which features the return of Decker, Ilia and everybody on Epsilion IX station. I thought it would be interesting to consider why they had come back, using themes like the 4400 or Solaris or the new French thriller the Returned.

I've pitched Deltans as having the ability to sense and control pheromones so empathy is limited to those species who emit them and whose emotional states you are familiar with but it also ties in with Ilia's anasthesia and stuff in the TWoK novel. They've also exhibited a low level psychic bond with loved ones. All this is far more versatile than betazoid telepathy.
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Old July 4 2013, 08:43 AM   #20
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Re: Should Illia and Decker have survived ?

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Not really, since Vulcans and Romulans are biologically identical. The Vulcan repression/control of emotions is a cultural development, not a biological one.
Well there's this bit from The Enterprise Incident:

KIRK: Mister Chekov, there's only one Vulcan aboard that ship. He should be easy enough to locate.
CHEKOV: Romulans and Vulcans appear to read almost exactly alike. There is just a slight difference which. Got him, sir.
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Old July 5 2013, 12:02 AM   #21
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Re: Should Illia and Decker have survived ?

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Yes, the Hellguard backstory created in TrekLit after the fact does explain it quite well, but not the mere fact of her parents' different cultures.
How is it "after the fact"? The ST II novelization, with Saavik's backstory clues, was simultaneously released with the movie and Vonda McIntyre fully expected the one line used by Spock to describe Saavik's heritage to appear in the film.

I suppose it's "after the fact" is you saw the "Presentation Trailer" at ShoWest: BTW, the ShoWest clip is linked here:
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com.au...many-fans.html

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I doubt Persis would have been keen to shave her head every 3 years...
She did sign a "Phase II" contract, which may have kept her bald for 26 weeks every year for five years.
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Old July 5 2013, 01:52 AM   #22
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Re: Should Illia and Decker have survived ?

I suspect for the TV show it would have been a bald cap for Persis.
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Old July 5 2013, 02:11 AM   #23
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Re: Should Illia and Decker have survived ?

Yes, I think she agreed to shave her hair only because they went for a movie.
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Old July 5 2013, 02:22 AM   #24
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I suspect for the TV show it would have been a bald cap for Persis.
Well, she bought and wore her own bald cap to her audition, impressing the execs, but the question - when it was still the "Phase II" series - was would she be willing to shave her head for the role? And she said "Yes."
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Old July 5 2013, 02:27 AM   #25
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Re: Should Illia and Decker have survived ?

I would have preferred Decker not even existing. I would have made Ilia a former lover of Kirk's and given him the job of trying to "reach" the Ilia probe. I always felt that Kirk was too passive in TMP. Of course, I guess the ending would need changing.
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Old July 5 2013, 02:41 AM   #26
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I would have preferred Decker not even existing. I would have made Ilia a former lover of Kirk's [snip]
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Old July 5 2013, 04:29 AM   #27
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I would have preferred Decker not even existing. I would have made Ilia a former lover of Kirk's and given him the job of trying to "reach" the Ilia probe. I always felt that Kirk was too passive in TMP. Of course, I guess the ending would need changing.
Well, of course, that's because "In Thy Image" was written with the suspicion that Shatner would be reluctant to agree to more than the first 13 episodes of "Phase II". If his movie career had taken off as planned in 1977, he'd have scarpered.
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Old July 5 2013, 10:39 AM   #28
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They thought they'd pass the baton over to Decker ?
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Old July 5 2013, 12:07 PM   #29
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They thought they'd pass the baton over to Decker ?
That was the plan, yes. Shatner had an option of staying, leaving, or going to semi-regular guest star as the Admiral.
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Old July 5 2013, 09:40 PM   #30
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I'm glad Phase II was a non starter. I have a feeling it would have been terrible.

Realigning the ducks for TNG was definitely the best way to go.
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