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Old July 4 2013, 12:41 PM   #16
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I hate to say it, but in this day and age, Mickey Rourke is the frontrunner to play Genghis Khan in a new movie. There's something to be said about Hollywood's incredibly strong desire to:

1. Cast roles meant for minorities with white actors, especially when it comes to movies that seek to tell stories of other ethnicities
2. Create a period piece in a typically non-white nation, but still center it around a white character to frame it nonetheless (Chinese political revolution? Let's focus on the white priest. Thailand is devastated by a tsunami? Forget focusing on the locals, let's make the white tourists our main characters, who can afford to seek refuge outside the country.)
3. Suppress job opportunities for minority actors in the first place. It's one thing to say that actors have to work hard in order to get roles, which is obviously true. But if minority actors don't get roles, they don't build experience nor an audience that would pay to watch them, as well. It's a vicious cycle that leads to Hollywood leading roles not matching up with American racial demographics. And as the Fast and the Furious movies have shown, people *will* pay to watch a diverse cast in leading roles, but Hollywood doesn't seem to get that memo.

As for the controversy about Khan, the internal logic isn't perfect by any means, but externally, it really helped Montalban's career, who in turn fought to increase visibility for Latino actors, so that the Latino acting pool wouldn't be relegated to just a handful of brown people for leading roles. Indeed, we should consider the fact that Roddenberry intently cast a non-white for the role of Khan despite studio heads, and that the experience of playing a complex character like Khan partially inspired Montalban to create the Nosotros Foundation. Thus, in its own way, Khan being played by a Latino (or the fact that a Latino actor got to really show off his acting chops) was a trailblazing move in its own right, and Montalban's performance is one very strong reason why Khan is consistently ranked among sci-fi's greatest villains -- it showed 1960s audiences that Latino actors could be more than mere henchmen or drunks.
All good points.
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Old July 5 2013, 06:34 AM   #17
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Linda Hunt costarring as Billy Kwan in "The Year of living Dangerously"? A male Chinese-Australian photographer, a role for which Hunt won an Oscar in 1983.
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Old July 5 2013, 09:50 AM   #18
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Linda Hunt costarring as Billy Kwan in "The Year of living Dangerously"? A male Chinese-Australian photographer, a role for which Hunt won an Oscar in 1983.
lol. That was very confusing for my introduction to Linda Hunt. At least I was convinced Linda must be a {short} woman from the get-go. Imagine my surprise when they finally started putting Lee Child's photo on the back of his Jack Reacher novels! After years of "finally a woman can write a book that appeals to me!" , now that was a system shock! lol!
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Old July 6 2013, 04:47 AM   #19
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Don't forget Keanu Reeves as a Samurai !
Reeves is part Chinese. So closer than most.
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Old July 6 2013, 06:39 AM   #20
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Don't forget Keanu Reeves as a Samurai !
Reeves is part Chinese.
Which part?[/Bill & Ted]
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Old July 6 2013, 08:30 AM   #21
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Which was the most controversial portrayal of an Indian?
Ricardo Montalban portraying Khan Noonian Singh;
Benedict Cumberbatch portraying John Harrison, an alias of Khan Noonian Singh, albeit perhaps plastic surguried into a british/white fascimile;
or Johnny Depp portraying Tonto, in Indian makeup?
The Khantroversy is overblown in my opinion, considering a) how little we actually know about Khan's ethnic makeup and b) How little we actually know about Johnny Depp's home planet.

Seriously. Apart from the fact that Depp could easily pass for Indian even without the ghost dance makeup, he could easily BE part Indian somewhere down in his family tree. But even in that case, it would be about as khantroversial as a Korean actor playing a Chinese character (or vice versa) on the mostly correct assumption that mot white people khan't tell the difference anyway.
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Old July 7 2013, 04:52 PM   #22
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What is Khan Noonien Singh? He's NOT a Sikh, since Sikhs are forbidden from removing or trimming any hair from any part of their body. Khan was clean shaven and waxed his chest.

What was Khan's skin colour? He has makeup darkening his skin in "Space Seed" which he doesn't in Wrath of Khan, where he looks white.

His followers completely changed to all white/blond in WoK and were suddenly much younger.

Like it or not, Khan's backstory and racial identity was a jumbled broken mess long before Into Darkness.
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Old July 7 2013, 08:40 PM   #23
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Easy, Khan was either genetically engineered to have no facial and body hair (because hairless bodies are considered perfect), or it was an accidental side effect.

Sikhism is also a religion that, as always, preaches love and peace. If he ignores one thing, why can't ignore other things?
Like the fairy tale that Muslims aren't allowed to drink alcohol. I know Muslims that pray 5 times a day and still give a shit about that prohibition.
Had they said he was a Catholic, imagine how many different arguments you could make about what he was supposed to do and be and what not.
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Old July 7 2013, 09:16 PM   #24
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What is Khan Noonien Singh? He's NOT a Sikh, since Sikhs are forbidden from removing or trimming any hair from any part of their body. Khan was clean shaven and waxed his chest.

What was Khan's skin colour? He has makeup darkening his skin in "Space Seed" which he doesn't in Wrath of Khan, where he looks white.

His followers completely changed to all white/blond in WoK and were suddenly much younger.

Like it or not, Khan's backstory and racial identity was a jumbled broken mess long before Into Darkness.
What happens when you spend years on a lifeless, hot, aired planet? Your skin becomes lighter.

Tanning is for sissies.
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Old July 8 2013, 02:54 AM   #25
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
What is Khan Noonien Singh? He's NOT a Sikh, since Sikhs are forbidden from removing or trimming any hair from any part of their body. Khan was clean shaven and waxed his chest.

What was Khan's skin colour? He has makeup darkening his skin in "Space Seed" which he doesn't in Wrath of Khan, where he looks white.

His followers completely changed to all white/blond in WoK and were suddenly much younger.

Like it or not, Khan's backstory and racial identity was a jumbled broken mess long before Into Darkness.
What happens when you spend years on a lifeless, hot, aired planet? Your skin becomes lighter.

Tanning is for sissies.
Hot desert planet gives you pale skin?
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Old July 8 2013, 04:00 AM   #26
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Hot desert planet gives you pale skin?


Apparently.
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Old July 8 2013, 09:26 AM   #27
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Damn you Christopher Columbus!
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Old July 8 2013, 12:40 PM   #28
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There hasn't been real controversy about any of them, just a little whinging on Internet boards about Cumberbatch.
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Old July 8 2013, 11:10 PM   #29
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What happens when you spend years on a lifeless, hot, aired planet? Your skin becomes lighter.
A year living in London will do it too.

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Hot desert planet gives you pale skin?
You don't recall the full robes, gloves and masks? (ST II)
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Old July 8 2013, 11:24 PM   #30
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^ And I doubt they spent any time outside other than what was absolutely necessary.
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