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Old July 10 2013, 05:59 AM   #346
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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He also commanded to judge righteously.
3 quotes saying not to judge vs one possible in favor of judging. Add to those the "offer no resistance to the wicked" line and my argument looks stronger and stronger.
"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye."
"Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment."
“If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.”

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Maybe you should read the Bible if you want to go to Heaven.
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Who are you to judge when you don't accept or understand it yourself?
I'm not a Christian, I don't have to follow the rules of your imaginary friend.
I still don't understand how you feel you can judge what or who a Christian is if you don't believe in it,
Easily, I read the Bible and read what Jesus supposedly said. When applied to most Christians, they don't even come close.

Granted, some book contradict the others, especially when it comes to what is supposed to recorded history. But there are some decent stories with some decent stories. It's like Star Trek but less interesting.
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Old July 10 2013, 06:33 AM   #347
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

On the subject of Evangelical Christianity and evolution, is anyone else here familiar with BioLogos.com? It's, in their words, "a community of evangelical Christians committed to exploring and celebrating the compatibility of evolutionary creation and biblical faith, guided by the truth that “all things hold together in Christ.” [Col 1:17]"

They don't consider themselves to be ID or Creationists, in the typical meaning of that term. They're also helpful in pointing to Christians that have historically been open to a non-literal interpretation of the Genesis accounts (Origen, Augustine, Aquinas) or accepting of evolution (B. B. Warfield, who, ironically, is considered one of the spearheads of the inerrancy of the Bible movement).

Anyways, I find it encouraging to see thoughtful work by (evangelical) Christians of both scientific and theological professions attempting real, intelligent dialogue in this area.
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Old July 10 2013, 06:38 AM   #348
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Evangelical Christians that want to reconcile evolution and theology will have to adapt their theology, because reality isn't going to budge.
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Old July 10 2013, 07:16 AM   #349
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

Even the Catholics accept it, it's really only a splinter of Christianity, mainly in America. They're just loud and annoying..
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Old July 10 2013, 08:22 AM   #350
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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Evangelical Christians that want to reconcile evolution and theology will have to adapt their theology, because reality isn't going to budge.
Evangelical Christians should be given the chance to make that reconciliation. Any religious person who is willing to examine their faith and say "maybe I'm wrong and need to make sure what I've learned is right," should be more than welcome to do so; not just because that can lead to fewer extreme religious groups (although that is very good!), but also because such people may find a better application of their own faith, and in that, everyone benefits.
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Old July 10 2013, 09:52 AM   #351
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That's not quite accurate.
parable, n.
Pronunciation: Brit. /ˈparəbl/ , U.S. /ˈpɛrəb(ə)l/
Forms: ME pable (transmission error), ME parabele, ME parabil, ME parabol, ME
Etymology: Anglo-Norman and Old French parable...
1. An allegorical or metaphorical saying or narrative; an allegory, a fable, an apologue; a comparison, a similitude.



allegory, n.
Pronunciation: Brit. /ˈalᵻɡ(ə)ri/ , U.S. /ˈæləˌɡɔri/
Etymology: (i) Anglo-Norman and Middle French allegorie

1. The use of symbols in a story, picture, etc., to convey a hidden or ulterior meaning, typically a moral or political one; symbolic representation. Also: the interpretation of this.



metaphor, n.
Pronunciation: Brit. /ˈmɛtəfə/ , /ˈmɛtəfɔː/ , U.S. /ˈmɛdəˌfɔ(ə)r/
Forms: α. lME methaphor, 15 metafor, 15–16 metaphore, 15– metaphor.
Etymology: Middle French metaphore (c1275 in Old French as metafore ; French métaphore
1. A figure of speech in which a name or descriptive word or phrase is transferred to an object or action different from, but analogous to, that to which it is literally applicable; an instance of this, a metaphorical expression.




The key word in all of these is 'interpretation'. Ergo; you suck.
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Old July 10 2013, 11:28 AM   #352
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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Who are you to judge when you don't accept or understand it yourself?
You don't accept or understand a lot of things (including science, logic, and common sense), yet you judge plenty.

I find it hilarious how in the same post you claim to have the right to judge people you disagree with, and then tell them they have no right to judge your beliefs.

I wonder if you don't see the logical disconnect, or you simply don't care.
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Old July 10 2013, 11:45 AM   #353
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

Gotta love the circular arguments on both sides. I'm right and you're wrong. If you don't believe it, just ask me.
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Old July 10 2013, 11:52 AM   #354
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

I don't mind the arguments between evolutionists and YE Creationists so much, it's the people who sit on the fence pretending they are superior to everyone that are the most irritating of all.
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Old July 10 2013, 11:56 AM   #355
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I don't mind people sitting on the fence being superior to all, it's the other people who point this out to everyone else that really annoy me.
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Old July 10 2013, 12:00 PM   #356
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Shut up Deckerd

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Old July 10 2013, 02:44 PM   #357
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Who are you to judge when you don't accept or understand it yourself?
You don't accept or understand a lot of things (including science, logic, and common sense), yet you judge plenty.

I find it hilarious how in the same post you claim to have the right to judge people you disagree with, and then tell them they have no right to judge your beliefs.

I wonder if you don't see the logical disconnect, or you simply don't care.
Funny, my post was done to point out the disconnect in AP and a lot of other atheists who bring up the judge not quote.
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Old July 10 2013, 03:27 PM   #358
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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Actually it's completely accurate.

Tend to the log in your own eye
Judge not lest ye be judged
let he who is without sin
He also commanded to judge righteously.
3 quotes saying not to judge vs one possible in favor of judging. Add to those the "offer no resistance to the wicked" line and my argument looks stronger and stronger.
Seems to be the mantra of today's Christians. Hell, if you were to take what they said on blind faith you'd think the entire Bible was about no gheys instead of a throw away line buried in a list of things not to eat.
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Old July 10 2013, 04:32 PM   #359
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Who are you to judge when you don't accept or understand it yourself?
You don't accept or understand a lot of things (including science, logic, and common sense), yet you judge plenty.

I find it hilarious how in the same post you claim to have the right to judge people you disagree with, and then tell them they have no right to judge your beliefs.

I wonder if you don't see the logical disconnect, or you simply don't care.
Funny, my post was done to point out the disconnect in AP and a lot of other atheists who bring up the judge not quote.
Dude, it's your book. We aren't bound by it; you are.
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Old July 10 2013, 06:12 PM   #360
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Who are you to judge when you don't accept or understand it yourself?
You don't accept or understand a lot of things (including science, logic, and common sense), yet you judge plenty.

I find it hilarious how in the same post you claim to have the right to judge people you disagree with, and then tell them they have no right to judge your beliefs.

I wonder if you don't see the logical disconnect, or you simply don't care.
Funny, my post was done to point out the disconnect in AP and a lot of other atheists who bring up the judge not quote.
There isn't a disconnect. If a group has a series of rules, there's nothing wrong when an outside party points out that the group ignores those rules.

Canadians have hate speech laws and Americans don't, if some Canadian poster started saying hate speech I can point it out. A referee doesn't have to play football to make decisions. There are countless examples.

Stop trying to shift the blame for your lack of following your savior's teachings. I don't have to follow them, you do and you're failing miserably. You should be thankful there isn't a Hell and only the oblivion of death awaits you.
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