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Old July 6 2013, 08:26 PM   #76
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Re: Why didn't they just keep their characters?

While catching up on TOS I spotted Majel Barrett-Roddenberry as Christine Chapel who's another character they could have kept instead of making her Lwaxana Troi, though she'd be Diana's Human mother instead of the Betazoid side and we would lose her psychic 'screwing with Picard' moments, and I so enjoy seeing Picard out of his element.
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Old July 6 2013, 09:38 PM   #77
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^Well said. In all honesty, was what Lacarno did any worse than Sisko's actions in bringing Romulus into the Dominion War?
Sisko's actions had a positive result, Sisko saved (in the long run) far more lives than he took.

Lacarno's action killed a fellow cadet for the sake of a meaningless stunt.

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Old July 6 2013, 09:49 PM   #78
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^Well said. In all honesty, was what Lacarno did any worse than Sisko's actions in bringing Romulus into the Dominion War?
Sisko's actions had a positive result, Sisko saved (in the long run) far more lives than he took.

Lacarno's action killed a fellow cadet for the sake of a meaningless stunt.
Without turning this into an "ends justify the means" argument, my problem with what Lacarno did has nothing to do with the stunt that killed Josh Albert. My gripe with the situation is that he tried to cover it up and coerced his squad members into doing the same thing.

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Old July 6 2013, 10:13 PM   #79
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Sisko's actions had a positive result, Sisko saved (in the long run) far more lives than he took.
Was any of the Vreenak incident made public knowledge within the DS9 universe? As far as I can remember, no one, save Garak, knew about the manipulation, and Sisko erased the relative log in the process of recording it. Had Janeway been forced to make a decision about Sisko's worthiness to be part of his crew, the Vreenak incident would not be on record.
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Old July 6 2013, 10:33 PM   #80
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^ IIRC, the only ones who know about the entire thing with Vreenak were Sisko and Garak.
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Old July 6 2013, 10:52 PM   #81
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^ IIRC, the only ones who know about the entire thing with Vreenak were Sisko and Garak.
Correct. There is a novel that's set immediately after "In the Pale Moonlight" in which Sisko confesses his actions to Starfleet but discovers that they don't care because the Romulans entering the war will benefit the Federation far more than their continued absence would have.

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Old July 6 2013, 11:52 PM   #82
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While catching up on TOS I spotted Majel Barrett-Roddenberry as Christine Chapel who's another character they could have kept instead of making her Lwaxana Troi, though she'd be Diana's Human mother instead of the Betazoid side and we would lose her psychic 'screwing with Picard' moments, and I so enjoy seeing Picard out of his element.
Huh?

Chapel was a nurse in TOS and TAS and a doctor in TMP and ST IV. So her character was "kept". She's in the movies!

We saw how old McCoy was in "Encounter at Farpoint". Now you want Majel in old-age makeup, as Chapel, to be Troi's mother? Recycling old TOS characters for absolutely no purpose.

Majel was once cajoled by Roddenberry to consider doing a bonus cameo in TMP as M'Ress (the felinoid from TAS, whom she voiced) and she said she'd never be comfortable trying to act under latex appliances.
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Old July 8 2013, 08:53 PM   #83
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We saw how old McCoy was in "Encounter at Farpoint". Now you want Majel in old-age makeup, as Chapel, to be Troi's mother? Recycling old TOS characters for absolutely no purpose.
I failed to add the age difference between series one that one, mentioning it only because it was the same actress but funny you should say that.

I watched TOS' "Shore Leave" and came across a character they should have recycled. I think they should have used Finnegan instead of Hendorff in 2009's Star Trek. Finnegan could have been that bully that Kirk never gets to pin it back to, instead of a guy who gets killed by a flower in "The Apple".
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Old July 8 2013, 11:04 PM   #84
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^ A lot of people thought Cupcake WAS Finnegan...except for the lack of Oirish.

Oh well. They could always use Finnegan later. Start over, as it were. Or to put it another way: Finnegan, begin again.
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Old July 9 2013, 04:04 AM   #85
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Also TNG's Q sound a lot like TOS' Metron. They both judged humanity savage and trialed each captain to prove otherwise.
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Old July 9 2013, 07:10 AM   #86
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Also TNG's Q sound a lot like TOS' Metron. They both judged humanity savage and trialed each captain to prove otherwise.
Trelane also reminded me of a Q.
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Old July 9 2013, 11:24 AM   #87
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A terrorist is just a freedom fighter by another name. Whether he counts as a hero or a villain depends entirely on your point of view.
BS.

There's certainly overlap between 'Terrorist' and 'Freedom fighter'. The Maquis and the Bajoran resistance fall into that overlap.

Pretty hard to describe Terra Firma, The Circle or abortion clinic bombers as 'Freedom fighters'. Terrorists who fight not for freedom, but to force people to follow their own will.
Osama Bin Laden, Abu Nidal, Abu Yusef, and others can also be added to that list.
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Old July 14 2013, 08:55 AM   #88
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Nomad from TOS "The Changeling" made me think of a Borg project gone wrong. The Borg find a primitive machine and upgrade it to find and destroy it's primitive source maybe. Borg perfection would ultimately end with the removal of imperfections. It's not needed but a tie-in is doable.
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Old July 14 2013, 08:26 PM   #89
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Nomad was the result of a freak collision and binding with an alien probe called Tan-Ru. The Borg had nothing to do with Nomad's search for perfection.
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Old July 14 2013, 08:41 PM   #90
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^ And in the infinite vastness of space, what are the odds that two small probes just slam into each other like that? Something more had to have been at work there.
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