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Old July 18 2013, 03:24 AM   #91
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Re: The Walking Dead

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It's perhaps a "bit" inconsistent but the zombies also seem to have a flare for the dramatic. The little girl zombie obviously new she was in the teaser for a TV series and needed to act normal in order for the tension hook to work as the scene progressed.
Rick sure loves shooting Zombie little girls in the head, doesn't he?
I'm surprised he was easily fooled by the "little girl" even that early in his "experience" with the Walkers you'd think he would know better than to automatically assume that this little girl was walking around an abandoned gas station parking lot in her pajamas.
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Old July 18 2013, 04:54 AM   #92
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All dead bodies that were found in cars that did not reanimate probably suffered head trauma, preventing reanimation...
Other theories:
Those walkers couldn't get out of the cars and the heat in the cars essentially mummified them.

Dehydration, if significant enough, causes severe brain damage. That brain damage may have been as significant as the kind of head trauma that normally puts down a walker.

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Intelligent walkers would be a serious threat. I'm not sure what else they could introduce to make walkers more dangerous. Disease from the rotting corpses, perhaps? More walkers-as-weapons, the way the Governor used them?
Yes to both. And perhaps larger herds.
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Old July 18 2013, 06:56 AM   #93
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My vote is either intelligent walkers or just faster walkers.
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Old July 18 2013, 09:38 AM   #94
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Perhaps the zombie virus will evolve and the Walkers will begin to heal and regenerate.
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Old July 18 2013, 11:22 AM   #95
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All dead bodies that were found in cars that did not reanimate probably suffered head trauma, preventing reanimation...
Other theories:
Those walkers couldn't get out of the cars and the heat in the cars essentially mummified them.

Dehydration, if significant enough, causes severe brain damage. That brain damage may have been as significant as the kind of head trauma that normally puts down a walker.
Yeah, but we've seen and been told unless there's brain trauma the Walkers will still pursue no matter what their injury. We've seen other Walkers attack people when cars or other enclosed areas have been opened up. The bodies in the cars on the highway I just assumed died before the "disease" managed to infect everyone.
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Old July 18 2013, 01:05 PM   #96
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My vote is either intelligent walkers or just faster walkers.
George Romeo's "zombie rules," may imply intelligent zombies are in store which IMO actually would be kewl.

Although initially devoid of both thought and memory, later works of Romero have shown zombies capable of learning through a process of trial and error. Both Day of the Dead and Land of the Dead show zombies using firearms in a limited capacity, while blunt objects as weapons have been used by zombies since Night of the Living Dead. The full extent of the creature's learning abilities is unknown, but the process of discovery for them is not unlike that of a toddler.
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Old July 18 2013, 01:14 PM   #97
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All dead bodies that were found in cars that did not reanimate probably suffered head trauma, preventing reanimation. As for starving to death, there may not have been enough time for any walker to do so. And anyway, only active walkers would attack, so the sampling of walker demographics is biased by the dramatic needs of the show.
I always thought those people weren't infected when they died and once dead . . . couldn't be infected. This was in the early stages of the Zombie outbreak before a form of the infection somehow became airborne (or whatever) and infected the living. Yet apparently this strain doesn't turn the living but only reanimates the dead.

Although even describing that idea seems absurd on so many levels . . . but . . . hey . . . its an entertainment show not Bill Nye the Science Guy.
In a previous thread, we speculated there are TWO things going on...the zombie "virus" which reanimates people.

The second is a "bacteria" which kills people quickly, and thus activates the virus.
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Old July 18 2013, 03:37 PM   #98
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All dead bodies that were found in cars that did not reanimate probably suffered head trauma, preventing reanimation. As for starving to death, there may not have been enough time for any walker to do so. And anyway, only active walkers would attack, so the sampling of walker demographics is biased by the dramatic needs of the show.
I always thought those people weren't infected when they died and once dead . . . couldn't be infected. This was in the early stages of the Zombie outbreak before a form of the infection somehow became airborne (or whatever) and infected the living. Yet apparently this strain doesn't turn the living but only reanimates the dead.

Although even describing that idea seems absurd on so many levels . . . but . . . hey . . . its an entertainment show not Bill Nye the Science Guy.
In a previous thread, we speculated there are TWO things going on...the zombie "virus" which reanimates people.

The second is a "bacteria" which kills people quickly, and thus activates the virus.
An interesting theory. So then the virus could be spread by contact while the bacteria needs bodily fluids (or blood contact).

Although that would also mean that not everyone who dies would turn into a zombie. Just those who have had previous contact with the infected (as most of the series survivors shown could be assumed to have done). In which case future generations could easily return to normality as contact with zombies would be limited as humans rebuilt society. And assuming that certain areas had been "walled off" from the infection it would be a bigger problem for survivors caught and forced to survive (either temporarily or permanently) in the infection zone.
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Old July 18 2013, 04:04 PM   #99
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Although that would also mean that not everyone who dies would turn into a zombie.
Why would you think that? If everyone has the virus, then everyone becomes a zombie upon death. The bacteria just explains how a simple zombie bite kills.
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Old July 18 2013, 07:38 PM   #100
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Although that would also mean that not everyone who dies would turn into a zombie. Just those who have had previous contact with the infected (as most of the series survivors shown could be assumed to have done).
If by "contact," you mean fluids, bites or a scratch, then that does not apply to Randall--the prisoner Shane murdered, but reanimated after death. As far as we know, Randall never had physical contact with a walker.
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Old July 18 2013, 09:07 PM   #101
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Although that would also mean that not everyone who dies would turn into a zombie.
Why would you think that? If everyone has the virus, then everyone becomes a zombie upon death. The bacteria just explains how a simple zombie bite kills.
Why would everyone have the virus? Not everyone would have it because you still have to obtain the disease from an infected source. Someone who catches Hepatis A (one of the most contageous known diseases) in Atlanta is not going to mean everyone in Savannah is now infected.
This is in reference to the dual pathogen theory so there would still need to be a vector of transmittal.

Its also a hell of a lucky coincidence. Because if these two pathogens didn't happen to become known at exactly the same time you would have dead people turning into zombies but their bites would be no worse (maybe a little worse due to the decaying state of the biter) than a bite from a living person. Any pathogens they transmit would be those already found today (mostly treatable) and not as lethal.

If the disease was just "magically" spread by something that everyone is exposed to (say radiation from the sun) then we are presented with the interesting scenario where anyone who has died previously and whose brain has not decayed beyond some point of non-use would be reanimated in their graves, mausoleums, morgues, etc. Although if you take the starving idea presented later in TWD . . . they might not be able to do anything???

The movie "Fido" used radiation from outer space as the cause of zombieism so everyone who died would become a zombie. If Grampa keels over from a heart attack . . . lookout!!!
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Old July 18 2013, 09:19 PM   #102
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Although that would also mean that not everyone who dies would turn into a zombie. Just those who have had previous contact with the infected (as most of the series survivors shown could be assumed to have done).
If by "contact," you mean fluids, bites or a scratch, then that does not apply to Randall--the prisoner Shane murdered, but reanimated after death. As far as we know, Randall never had physical contact with a walker.
Good point! Although being in the vicinity (surrounded really) by walkers leaves the possibility that it could have been transmitted by an airborne vector (zombies pass it in the air and it floats into Randall's nasal passages one day). Which brings a question, do zombies breath? Even if they didn't perhaps decaying skin or other remains could be blown into the air.
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Old July 18 2013, 09:24 PM   #103
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The other theory is that the zombie virus is nanobots (like in Revolution) , which have spread all over the world. The sudden pandemic could be due to a worldwide signal sent...perhaps testing something (I..e nothing to do with the virus) that signals all the nanobots to activate the virus.

It was simultaneous, so all the military, etc.were not prepared.

The "bacteria" (my nickname) is another byproduct of becoming a Walker -- in addition to "life" and "hunger"
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Old July 18 2013, 09:34 PM   #104
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It's really pretty simple:

The show established that everyone has the virus, so when you die you turn unless you brain is injured.

It would make sense that a highly pandemic air born virus got out, it stays dormant until you die. People who were already dead (in graves etc..) can not get the virus because they could not breath (obviously), thus you have to be alive to get the virus in the first place.

After the air born infection, as people started to die of 'normal' causes (accidents, nature death etc..), they started to reanimate. Since the virus was now in an active state when they bit other humans, it activated the bite victims dormant virus. The active virus in a living human creates fever and burns them out until they die. Then, minutes to hours later the virus is active in a normal dead host (as it was probably designed that way) active in only there brain stem. With no higher brain functions the zombie acts only on instinct.

Zombies don't breath, btw

So a dormant virus in contact with an active virus, it will pre-maturely activate the victim's dormant virus, when the virus is active (in a living person) it clashes with living brain functions (since it's trying to run its own functions), thus overloading the brain burning it out. The brain loses the battle and the virus now has a place to run in.

What's scary is, I can totally see how scientists can make something similar, the trick is how does the virus stay fueled to run, that is where you have to have a little suspension of disbelief.
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Old July 18 2013, 11:52 PM   #105
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Although that would also mean that not everyone who dies would turn into a zombie.
Why would you think that? If everyone has the virus, then everyone becomes a zombie upon death. The bacteria just explains how a simple zombie bite kills.
Why would everyone have the virus?
Becaue it's already been stated in the show that everyone is.
If the disease was just "magically" spread by something that everyone is exposed to (say radiation from the sun) then we are presented with the interesting scenario where anyone who has died previously and whose brain has not decayed beyond some point of non-use would be reanimated in their graves, mausoleums, morgues
I would guess that you have to have been alive when you encounter the virus to be reanimated. Thus, previously dead bodies are not affected.

As for the "coincidence" of the bacteria transmitted by bites showing up at the same time, maybe it's a common bacteria that only becomes deadly in the presence of the virus.
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