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Old November 25 2013, 03:32 PM   #361
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Re: Season FIVE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

I love the shot of the Enterprise in The Game, as the ship passes over the camera.


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Old November 25 2013, 08:41 PM   #362
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I love the shot of the Enterprise in The Game, as the ship passes over the camera.


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I think that was also used in Allegiance. It looks really cool with the pulsar's light hitting it.

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x...nce_hd_327.jpg
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Old November 25 2013, 08:53 PM   #363
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Re: Season FIVE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

Here's a comparison of similar bridge shots from seasons three and five:

Bridge - Medium Wide: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50256
Bridge - Wide Shot: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50257
Bridge Front - Wide Shot: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50258
Picard & Riker - Two Shot: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50261
Picard & Troi - Two Shot: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50263
Picard Bridge - Wide Shot: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50264
Picard - Medium Close Up: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50265
Picard - Medium Shot: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50266
Picard - Medium Wide Shot: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50267
Riker - Medium Close Up: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50268

Pretty consistent in my opinion. Notice Mr. Rush does not appear to have used any diffusion filters or nets in front of or behind the lens on the bridge at least (there is no telltale sign of halation or "fog" around light sources). If diffusion *was* used, it would have been placed in a diffusion frame to soften the studio lights, if anything. Any further differences in softness can probably be chalked up to actors being slightly out of the plane of focus due to photographing with a larger aperture (lower f/number) or other lens idiosyncrasies (they used zooms, not primes).

As far as other sets depicting other environments, that's a whole other ball of wax... and we know Mr. Rush used diffusion filters to create particular looks. What we also know, is that he used the same Eastman EXR 5296 500T film stock for seasons three through five. We know this because Kodak didn't introduce another 500 ASA film between 1989 and 1994.
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Old November 25 2013, 09:04 PM   #364
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Wow, season 5 is a lot warmer. I prefer it to the "cool" white/bluish look of season 3.

I don't mind if each season has its own distinct look.
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Old November 25 2013, 10:16 PM   #365
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Also from Cause and Effect, the remastering of the explosion was a little "too" good.

Now when the breakaway model explodes, you can clearly see the bussard collector fly off to the right. You can see it painted brightly red and yellow, and it looks like it popped off an AMT model kit. I never noticed that in SD. Now I can't help but see it.

They would have been wise to paint it gray.
I'll have to check that out when I get up to that episode..lol So far the season looks great. The show looks a little darker and a little more muted this season, I guess they changed lighting, and film stock again this season.


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The film stock they switched to in S3 would remain for the rest of the show. It's definitely the lighting style that subtly changed, less contrasty shadows and more even lighting, a real departure from what Brown did.
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Old November 25 2013, 10:26 PM   #366
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Maxwell Everett wrote: View Post
Here's a comparison of similar bridge shots from seasons three and five:

Bridge - Medium Wide: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50256
Bridge - Wide Shot: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50257
Bridge Front - Wide Shot: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50258
Picard & Riker - Two Shot: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50261
Picard & Troi - Two Shot: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50263
Picard Bridge - Wide Shot: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50264
Picard - Medium Close Up: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50265
Picard - Medium Shot: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50266
Picard - Medium Wide Shot: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50267
Riker - Medium Close Up: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/50268

Pretty consistent in my opinion. Notice Mr. Rush does not appear to have used any diffusion filters or nets in front of or behind the lens on the bridge at least (there is no telltale sign of halation or "fog" around light sources). If diffusion *was* used, it would have been placed in a diffusion frame to soften the studio lights, if anything. Any further differences in softness can probably be chalked up to actors being slightly out of the plane of focus due to photographing with a larger aperture (lower f/number) or other lens idiosyncrasies (they used zooms, not primes).

As far as other sets depicting other environments, that's a whole other ball of wax... and we know Mr. Rush used diffusion filters to create particular looks. What we also know, is that he used the same Eastman EXR 5296 500T film stock for seasons three through five. We know this because Kodak didn't introduce another 500 ASA film between 1989 and 1994.
At least it confirms one thing for me, they used different carpeting by S5. That's what struck me when watching the third season because I didn't remember the carpet looking that bright, so it must have only been for a limited time before they went back to a warmer color.
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Old November 26 2013, 12:52 AM   #367
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At least it confirms one thing for me, they used different carpeting by S5. That's what struck me when watching the third season because I didn't remember the carpet looking that bright, so it must have only been for a limited time before they went back to a warmer color.
They started using a bright blue carpet at the beginning of Season 3, I believe by either The High Ground or Deja Q it had been replaced with a darker one.
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Old November 26 2013, 03:07 PM   #368
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Did they make changes to Engineering in season 5??? It looks subtly different. Also do we ever see where the corridor goes in the office section of engineering between the consoles in the alcove?

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Old November 26 2013, 04:16 PM   #369
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Also from Cause and Effect, the remastering of the explosion was a little "too" good.

Now when the breakaway model explodes, you can clearly see the bussard collector fly off to the right. You can see it painted brightly red and yellow, and it looks like it popped off an AMT model kit. I never noticed that in SD. Now I can't help but see it.

They would have been wise to paint it gray.
I just saw it, it sure does stick out as it flies away...lol


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Old November 26 2013, 08:00 PM   #370
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They started using a bright blue carpet at the beginning of Season 3, I believe by either The High Ground or Deja Q it had been replaced with a darker one.
Ron Jones: "Carpet from Carpeteria!"

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Old November 26 2013, 09:57 PM   #371
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Here's a comparison of similar bridge shots from seasons three and five:

Pretty consistent in my opinion.
Yes, the only thing inconsistent in those shots is Worf's forehead.
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Did they make changes to Engineering in season 5??? It looks subtly different. Also do we ever see where the corridor goes in the office section of engineering between the consoles in the alcove?

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I don't recall noticing any differences in engineering in season 5, but the set was used for TUC between TNG seasons 4 and 5 and it's possible they altered it in some way.
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Old November 27 2013, 12:01 AM   #372
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Did they make changes to Engineering in season 5??? It looks subtly different. Also do we ever see where the corridor goes in the office section of engineering between the consoles in the alcove?

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If you're referring to what I think you are (the small corridor/opening in the Engineering office area), in the show, I believe it leads to the Chief Engineer's office, which has never been seen on screen. In reality, it leads nowhere except into the side of the curved corridor set, leaving no room to build anything.

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Old November 27 2013, 02:08 AM   #373
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The only Engineering change I can think of is in season 6. The turbolift next to the pool table was replaced with a Jeffries Tube access, notably seen in Starship Mine, Lessons and Quality of Life.
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Old November 27 2013, 12:24 PM   #374
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There is a change to the crystal chamber access port too. Sometime in season 7?
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Old November 27 2013, 03:30 PM   #375
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Did they make changes to Engineering in season 5??? It looks subtly different. Also do we ever see where the corridor goes in the office section of engineering between the consoles in the alcove?

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If you're referring to what I think you are (the small corridor/opening in the Engineering office area), in the show, I believe it leads to the Chief Engineer's office, which has never been seen on screen. In reality, it leads nowhere except into the side of the curved corridor set, leaving no room to build anything.
Yeah, that is what I was referring to, I thought maybe in later seasons we saw a jefferies tube entrance or something like that.


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