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Old November 20 2013, 06:37 PM   #316
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The SD footage in Power Play is OK. Not quite blink-and-you-miss-it, but it's not very obtrusive.
I credit the nature of that scene more than anything. It's in a pretty dark area (Ten Forward) and doesn't have many close-ups. The other SD footage this season, of Wesley in the well lit ready room in The First Duty, is a bit more obvious.
But in general I do think CBS-D did a bit better job handling the SD upconversion and color correction this time around.

I think this season's SD footage is handled better than the SD footage from BOBW II in S4.
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Old November 20 2013, 07:22 PM   #317
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I also agree with them about the soundtracks in movies being so bombastic. I was reminded of when movies used music really well and how they made scenes memorable, like in Jurassic Park. One of my favorite scenes in any movie was when they first land to when Hammond says "I'll show you". It was an epic scene mainly because of the music that played with it. I can't recall a movie in the last 10 years where I had that same feeling and that's a shame.
Totally agree with you.

I was watching Airforce One the other day...near the end of the movie, every time there is a victory in the punch/fight there is that annoying movie theme bombing it's way through your speakers.
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Old November 20 2013, 08:10 PM   #318
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Correct! It's replaced with CG as of "Conundrum" I think
I thought so. I've always gotten a sense they go episode by episode, and improve as they went along. The drawback is that after the improvement is made, they are either unwilling or incapable of going back and fixing the older work, likely due to time constraints. Examples of that are season 1 where certain model shots weren't available for Encounter at Farpoint, so CGI was used instead. But then the shots were found and used in later episodes within the same season, yet the early CGI remains.
If they had simply remastered the show in reverse (began with "All Good Things..." and worked their way backward toward "Encounter at Farpoint"), they would have found material that was moved down the line and more episodes would have original elements. I think most fans would have understood and been okay with that. I've always wondered if that was ever on the table as a solution before they began full season work.
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Old November 20 2013, 11:54 PM   #319
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I'm onto disc 3. It's possible that my TV has it's warm settings up to high or it's just the way it was shot, but I'm finding that scenes on the bridge are skewed towards the yellow. Particularly noticeable on The Masterpiece Society and Power Play. The red uniforms also don't seem as vibrant and did they change Crushers uniform between seasons 4 & 5 because it looks considerably more turquoise than when I last saw it?
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Old November 21 2013, 12:03 AM   #320
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I'm onto disc 3. It's possible that my TV has it's warm settings up to high or it's just the way it was shot, but I'm finding that scenes on the bridge are skewed towards the yellow. Particularly noticeable on The Masterpiece Society and Power Play. The red uniforms also don't seem as vibrant and did they change Crushers uniform between seasons 4 & 5 because it looks considerably more turquoise than when I last saw it?
I believe this issue came up a few pages back when someone noticed the screenshots on blu-ray.com had the same coloring issues you described. FrontierTrek claimed the color settings were improperly set, since the TrekCore screenshots didn't have this problem and matched what he saw on his visit to CBS-D.
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Old November 21 2013, 12:58 AM   #321
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The SD footage in Power Play is OK. Not quite blink-and-you-miss-it, but it's not very obtrusive.
I credit the nature of that scene more than anything. It's in a pretty dark area (Ten Forward) and doesn't have many close-ups. The other SD footage this season, of Wesley in the well lit ready room in The First Duty, is a bit more obvious.
But in general I do think CBS-D did a bit better job handling the SD upconversion and color correction this time around.

I think this season's SD footage is handled better than the SD footage from BOBW II in S4.
I think it's also due to the fact that by Season 5 the show had switched from the 1" NTSC composite tape used for Seasons 1-3 to, from what I can tell in the 25th anniversary special (where a ship shot from Redemption is up), the component video Betacam SP (it couldn't have been Digital Betacam, as that system wasn't out til 93 and the decks in the special didn't look anything like any D1 decks I've seen) was in use.

Otherwise, I found the wide shots in the SD material are the worst looking, while close-ups were pretty good.
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Old November 21 2013, 01:16 AM   #322
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OK, so it's not just CBS-D's magic, then. The SD footage in season 5 has much more detail. Early seasons of TNG always looked terrible. The later seasons of TNG, DS9 and Voyager looked much better in SD.

Even though the biggest chunk is in season 5, only about 3 minutes of total footage is missing out of 5,670 minutes of show. That's 0.05%. Hopefully the missing season 5 footage was just a blip, and not a bad omen.

Devil's advocate - on HTV's watch, they did not have to upscale any missing footage. Just sayin'.
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Old November 21 2013, 01:40 AM   #323
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One of the things that annoyed me about the later seasons in SD was the cross color distortion, which looked worse than it ever did in earlier seasons for some reason. DS9 and VOY would suffer from that too, but it looked like they solved that problem by the 1995-1996 season (DS9 S4, VOY S2).
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Old November 21 2013, 02:08 AM   #324
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One of the things that annoyed me about the later seasons in SD was the cross color distortion, which looked worse than it ever did in earlier seasons for some reason. DS9 and VOY would suffer from that too, but it looked like they solved that problem by the 1995-1996 season (DS9 S4, VOY S2).
That could've also been a color timing issue between the original film and the telecine process. But Voyager, most likely because it was edited on Digital Betacam, seemed to have had the best color of all the SD tape edited series. But then again SD NTSC has always been known as Never The Same Color.
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Old November 21 2013, 02:19 AM   #325
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Checking out the commentary on "Cause & Effect" and I already love Seth MacFarlane on this, he keeps cracking me up... especially his Stewie voice from "Family Guy" shows up.
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Old November 21 2013, 02:50 AM   #326
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I think it's also due to the fact that by Season 5 the show had switched from the 1" NTSC composite tape used for Seasons 1-3 to, from what I can tell in the 25th anniversary special (where a ship shot from Redemption is up), the component video Betacam SP (it couldn't have been Digital Betacam, as that system wasn't out til 93 and the decks in the special didn't look anything like any D1 decks I've seen) was in use.
TNG switched to D1 in Season Four.

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One of the things that annoyed me about the later seasons in SD was the cross color distortion, which looked worse than it ever did in earlier seasons for some reason. DS9 and VOY would suffer from that too, but it looked like they solved that problem by the 1995-1996 season (DS9 S4, VOY S2).
That could've also been a color timing issue between the original film and the telecine process.
I think he's referring to the color crosstalk or "rainbow effects" where high luma frequencies sometimes end up in the chroma signal. You could always see it on Worf's sash, for instance:

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...rallels001.jpg
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Old November 21 2013, 02:58 AM   #327
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Anyone ever notice the alien womans pupils in The Game being a different shape? Until now, I sure haven't. The game itself is pretty cool looking.
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Old November 21 2013, 03:14 AM   #328
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I think it's also due to the fact that by Season 5 the show had switched from the 1" NTSC composite tape used for Seasons 1-3 to, from what I can tell in the 25th anniversary special (where a ship shot from Redemption is up), the component video Betacam SP (it couldn't have been Digital Betacam, as that system wasn't out til 93 and the decks in the special didn't look anything like any D1 decks I've seen) was in use.
TNG switched to D1 in Season Four.

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One of the things that annoyed me about the later seasons in SD was the cross color distortion, which looked worse than it ever did in earlier seasons for some reason. DS9 and VOY would suffer from that too, but it looked like they solved that problem by the 1995-1996 season (DS9 S4, VOY S2).
That could've also been a color timing issue between the original film and the telecine process.
I think he's referring to the color crosstalk or "rainbow effects" where high luma frequencies sometimes end up in the chroma signal. You could always see it on Worf's sash, for instance:

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...rallels001.jpg
That's correct. Other than that issue, Season 7 was probably TNG's best looking season color wise, so the only real improvement we'll probably end up seeing is the chroma signal being cleaned out and of course more detailed picture.
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That's correct. Other than that issue, Season 7 was probably TNG's best looking season color wise, so the only real improvement we'll probably end up seeing is the chroma signal being cleaned out and of course more detailed picture.
Agreed, Season 7 had the most faithful color reproduction in SD. Season 6 in SD, on the other hand, was pretty washed out and still looks softer than S5 to my eyes. The HD gives it a real boost - I had chance to see some of the raw film from "A Fistful of Datas" and was gobsmacked at how much detail is in there.
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Old November 21 2013, 06:41 PM   #330
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I think he's referring to the color crosstalk or "rainbow effects" where high luma frequencies sometimes end up in the chroma signal. You could always see it on Worf's sash, for instance:

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...rallels001.jpg
yep and the Enterprise sensor dish fuzzyness.
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