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Old June 26 2013, 07:06 PM   #31
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Re: A way Endgame could have been redeemed

Yeah, I was significantly disappointed that they wrapped up the "second Caretaker" story with a tidy bow in one episode and it was never referenced again.
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Old June 26 2013, 07:25 PM   #32
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It would have been infinitely more preferable if Voyager had stumbled onto a spatial anomaly or a strange, powerful race that somehow got them home (not without difficulty, of course), instead of using the tired time travel plot to rescue them from the Delta Quadrant.

It just seemed like a cheap fix to me.
But I like time travel and I don't like strange powerful races.

If someone had told me, there's going to be time travel at the finale of Voyager and that will get them home I would have been like, YAY!!!!

But if you told me there's going to be a strange powerful race in the finale and that will get them home I would have been like

Things aren't right or wrong, they're just preferences.
But lets make a change that will effect countless lives just so we can get home 16 years or so earlier. In a way they behaved with only regard to themselves, so what if we changed the course of others lives. . As Starfleet officers they are supposed to put others before themselves.
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Old June 27 2013, 04:41 AM   #33
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Re: A way Endgame could have been redeemed

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Why roll eyes at the strange powerful race that got them home? Strange powerful race got them TO the Delta Quadrant...
I figured at first that the Susperia subplot would've lasted longer than one season and they'd use it more creatively than just another singular "will they get home" episode.
The Suspiria plot was set up in case they decided to wrap up the show. That they used it up so fast shows that even the Showrunners more or less realized the "Lost Ship" storyline was never going to go anywhere.
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Old July 4 2013, 09:03 AM   #34
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My daughter has not seen it, will not watch it under any circumstances. It is probably the most "fixed" episode in Voyager fan fiction, and has been "fixed" by some writers multiple times. There is even a Youtube edited fix.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5-KAjeuVDs
OH, MY ACHING EARS!

I will never listen to The Merry Widow Waltz ever again.

But at least it implies that Seven married someone more age-appropriate.
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Old July 4 2013, 09:10 AM   #35
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What minute is it in? I'm not going to watch an hour of it..

And age appropriate? Is this about 7 being too emotionally stunted for grown ups?
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Old July 4 2013, 10:20 AM   #36
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So you'd make me watch it all over again to find the exact minute?

It's the part where Admiral Janeway tells Captain Janeway that Seven will die in the arms of her husband. The next scene is one of Seven and Harry, happy and smiling. Chakotay is nowhere to be seen.
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Old July 4 2013, 10:22 AM   #37
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Harry? Talk about emotionally stunted.
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Old July 4 2013, 10:26 AM   #38
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But more age-appropriate. And far less likely to annoy Seven the way Chakotay would.

In that whole seven years, I can't believe that the moment Chakotay opened his mouth to tell somebody a story of his people, or utter "A-koo-chi-moy-a," the entire crew didn't yell, "Chakotay, STFU!"
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Old July 4 2013, 10:28 AM   #39
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So you'd make me watch it all over again to find the exact minute?

It's the part where Admiral Janeway tells Captain Janeway that Seven will die in the arms of her husband. The next scene is one of Seven and Harry, happy and smiling. Chakotay is nowhere to be seen.
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old July 4 2013, 10:32 AM   #40
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Is that a scream of outrage or disbelief?
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But more age-appropriate. And far less likely to annoy Seven the way Chakotay would.
My dear, I must object. I thought this was the tired old (but with a point) song about 7 being emotionally crippled but it seems you are talking about actual age. What's the difference? Ten years? Fifteen? What does it matter?

Harry is a sweet boy and though he may be closer in emotional maturity to 7 in a superficial sense 7 has seen all the horror and tragedy and desires of the universe and she cannot unsee it. She doesn't need a lamb, she needs someone who knows, if even a little, what she means by her overwhelming regrets.
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But more age-appropriate. And far less likely to annoy Seven the way Chakotay would.

In that whole seven years, I can't believe that the moment Chakotay opened his mouth to tell somebody a story of his people, or utter "A-koo-chi-moy-a," the entire crew didn't yell, "Chakotay, STFU!"
I've never bought that emotional age angle about Seven.
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But more age-appropriate. And far less likely to annoy Seven the way Chakotay would.

In that whole seven years, I can't believe that the moment Chakotay opened his mouth to tell somebody a story of his people, or utter "A-koo-chi-moy-a," the entire crew didn't yell, "Chakotay, STFU!"
I've never bought that emotional age angle about Seven.
Though 7 may be a virgin and have none of her own experiences as an individual she is anything but an innocent. It's a great contrast and what makes her an incredible character.
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But more age-appropriate. And far less likely to annoy Seven the way Chakotay would.

In that whole seven years, I can't believe that the moment Chakotay opened his mouth to tell somebody a story of his people, or utter "A-koo-chi-moy-a," the entire crew didn't yell, "Chakotay, STFU!"
I've never bought that emotional age angle about Seven.
Though 7 may be a virgin and have none of her own experiences as an individual she is anything but an innocent. It's a great contrast and what makes her an incredible character.
All the Trek series can be hopelessly provincial. In Voyager's case Seven could have been a wonderfully cooler addition had they explored what it was for her to be Borg, rarely did they embrace what the Doctor was capable of as a hologram. In both cases the characters were trying to be human rather than embrace what they were. It happens in all the series with Data, Odo, T'Pol, even Spock, they all have to learn to be like the humans. It's what made Farscape so much fun, the aliens got to stay alien.
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I find 7's panicked "I am Borg" declarations to be very touching. Because dear 7, you are not. It's not like some vague bit of the old country you return to in your elder years, you're either plugged in or you're nothing. And I think we see that reality even as 7 refuses to.
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