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Old June 23 2013, 09:54 PM   #16
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Then that's a shortcoming of Spock's that he should amend at once... If a scientist cannot formulate a hypothesis, he should go play golf.

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Old June 26 2013, 03:42 AM   #17
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Guessing is not the same as forming a hypothesis...
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Old June 28 2013, 02:22 PM   #18
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Guessing is not the same as forming a hypothesis...
No it is not. Guessing is just saying whatever random idea comes into your head. It's gut instinct. A hypothesis is formed when one thinks about what one knows and then decides that X is the likely outcome. It's not guessing.
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Old June 29 2013, 09:05 PM   #19
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Not that good guessing doesn't help--that can lead to a hypothesis.

I saw an early photo of the Xenia Ohio tornado. In the still, it had two suction vortices in a double helic. Since a tornadic storm is an updraft, and a smoker on the sea floor is an updraft...hmmm---Vortex generated abiogenesis?
Chemestry takes you so far forward--biology only so far back--I'd like to think some kind of mechanical forcing could play a part.

Stream beds or channeled scablands) often have vortex ruts in them with a single stone--rather like natures mortar and pestle/centrefuge.
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Old July 2 2013, 03:36 PM   #20
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Guessing is just saying whatever random idea comes into your head. It's gut instinct. A hypothesis is formed when one thinks about what one knows and then decides that X is the likely outcome. It's not guessing.
That's just saying the same thing twice, the second time with pomposity.

The true distinguishing feature of a worthwhile guess/hypothesis is that it comes with its own means of evaluating its validity. That is, any guess must contain an objective criterion, a hinge point for the teeter-totter between true and false. And this criterion must hinge on data that is not yet available, so that one can then objectively seek the bit of data and see what it tells about the guess.

Say, Spock could tell Kirk that he believes the thing that ate Gamma Seven and the Intrepid could be a malevolent lifeform or intelligence that seeks victims, or an indifferent natural phenomenon that stumbled upon Gamma Seven after which the starship intercepted her to her own peril. He would then specify that the data he lacks is on whether the phenomenon homes in on victims, and suggest as the litmus test that Kirk stand off and wait whether the thing moves to attack. If not, the thing might still be maneuverable but wary, so Kirk should provoke it with, say, a phaser attack.

This would bring Spock's scientific mumbo-jumbo to Kirk's area of competence and allow him to choose between options, rather than just chauffeur the starship deeper into the danger zone in an aimless pursuit of more data.

Forming a hypothesis that hinges on already known data is just masturbation; it involves subjectively interpreting that data. And "thinking about what one knows" does not make it any less subjective or any more convincing. It just takes one deeper down the path of self-delusion.

Spock is being fundamentally unscientific if he thinks there is insufficient data to form a hypothesis, i.e. to make a guess. A hypothesis is formed when data is lacking. If one believes one is in possession of a full dataset, then the time of hypotheses is well past, and there's no science remaining to be done; the truth is already known...

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Old July 2 2013, 03:48 PM   #21
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Too many to list. Spock might be the most "defining" character of the entire franchise.
Very True.
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Old July 2 2013, 04:23 PM   #22
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I prefer "Vulcans never bluff. "
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Old July 4 2013, 04:52 AM   #23
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Too many to list. Spock might be the most "defining" character of the entire franchise.
Absolutely. Spock was and is The Man... Vulcan... You know what I mean.

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