RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 140,144
Posts: 5,434,093
Members: 24,936
Currently online: 500
Newest member: davidhan

TrekToday headlines

Pine In New Skit
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

Stewart In Holiday Film
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

The Red Shirt Diaries #8
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

IDW Publishing January Comics
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

Retro Review: Chrysalis
By: Michelle on Oct 18

The Next Generation Season Seven Blu-ray Details
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

CBS Launches Streaming Service
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

Yelchin In New Indie Thriller
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

Saldana In The Book of Life
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

Cracked’s New Sci-Fi Satire
By: T'Bonz on Oct 16


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek Movies > Star Trek Movies XI+

Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old June 19 2013, 02:48 PM   #1
Bry_Sinclair
Commodore
 
Bry_Sinclair's Avatar
 
Location: Tactical withdrawl along the Klingon border
Will we ever see proper Trek races?

Don't get me wrong, one thing that I love about the Nu-Trek movies is their inclusion of some pretty cool looking alien species (many of which I use in my fanfics)--as they help add some much needed diversity to distinctly human-dominated scenes (I'd personally want to see more aliens, but that's beside the point).

But are we ever going to see some of original Trek species in the Nu-Trek films, such as: Andorians, Bolians, Caitians, Edosians, Tellarite, Tiburonians?
__________________
Avatar: Captain Naya, U.S.S. Renown NCC-1415 [Star Trek: Four Years War]
Manip by: JM1776 (STPMA.net)
Bry_Sinclair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 19 2013, 02:52 PM   #2
BillJ
Admiral
 
BillJ's Avatar
 
Location: Covington, Ky.
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?

If there's a story reason for them to be there, then I'm sure we will. For background filler? I'd rather see aliens I haven't seem before.
__________________
"If I hadn't tried, the cost would have been my soul." - Admiral James T. Kirk, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
BillJ is online now   Reply With Quote
Old June 19 2013, 05:19 PM   #3
Kevman7987
Commander
 
Kevman7987's Avatar
 
Location: Erie, PA, USA
View Kevman7987's Twitter Profile
Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?

I hope we get some familiar races in the background. Besides, the familiar alien races are cheapest/easiest to make-up too.

-Andorian background crew people; Paint them blue, give them a white wig, and add some antennae.
-Vulcan background crew people; Give them a bowl cut, shave their eyebrows, and glue some fake ears to 'em.
-Tellarite background crew people. Glue a pig snout on their nose.
__________________
"Don't do it, Meat!"
"Don't do it, Cheese!"
Kevman7987 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 19 2013, 05:57 PM   #4
Masquerade
Rear Admiral
 
Masquerade's Avatar
 
Location: ManOnTheWave
Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?

Both the Gorn and the Salt Vampire were cut from the '09 film. The two girls in Kirk's apartment in STID were supposed to be Caitians. I'd love to see more classic aliens in these films.





__________________
Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.
Masquerade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 19 2013, 08:03 PM   #5
Bry_Sinclair
Commodore
 
Bry_Sinclair's Avatar
 
Location: Tactical withdrawl along the Klingon border
Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?

Caitian with a rather severe bikini wax maybe

The 09 Gorn looks pretty good, not sure about the need to include a salt vampire though.
__________________
Avatar: Captain Naya, U.S.S. Renown NCC-1415 [Star Trek: Four Years War]
Manip by: JM1776 (STPMA.net)
Bry_Sinclair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 19 2013, 08:06 PM   #6
M'Sharak
Definitely Herbert. Maybe.
 
M'Sharak's Avatar
 
Location: Terra Inlandia
Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?

Bry_Sinclair wrote: View Post

But are we ever going to see some of original Trek species in the Nu-Trek films, such as: Andorians, Bolians, Caitians, Edosians, Tellarite, Tiburonians?
Bolians, Caitians and Edosians were original Trek species? As I recall it, the second and third species were introduced in the animated series, and the first not until TNG.

Bry_Sinclair wrote: View Post
The 09 Gorn looks pretty good, not sure about the need to include a salt vampire though.
Gorn: OK

Salt vampire: not proper Trek race, even though it was the focus of one of the earliest episodes

Got it.
__________________
The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but
that the lightning ain't distributed right.
— Mark Twain
M'Sharak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 19 2013, 08:52 PM   #7
iguana_tonante
Admiral
 
iguana_tonante's Avatar
 
Location: Italy, EU
Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?

Bry_Sinclair wrote: View Post
But are we ever going to see some of original Trek species in the Nu-Trek films
We saw Vulcans. That's enough for me.

Kevman7987 wrote: View Post
I hope we get some familiar races in the background. Besides, the familiar alien races are cheapest/easiest to make-up too.

-Andorian background crew people; Paint them blue, give them a white wig, and add some antennae.
-Vulcan background crew people; Give them a bowl cut, shave their eyebrows, and glue some fake ears to 'em.
-Tellarite background crew people. Glue a pig snout on their nose.
That's exactly why they shouldn't use them. What was acceptable in the 60s would look embarrassingly cheap today.
__________________
Scientist. Gentleman. Teacher. Fighter. Lover. Father.
iguana_tonante is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 19 2013, 09:09 PM   #8
mos6507
Captain
 
mos6507's Avatar
 
Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?

iguana_tonante wrote: View Post
That's exactly why they shouldn't use them. What was acceptable in the 60s would look embarrassingly cheap today.
Then why did they include an orion which is nothing but green skin paint? Does it have to look like a million dollars to be a viable-looking race?

The answer is--because some Trek races are just iconic and it doesn't matter how ornate the makeup is. Orion chicks are fun to have around, and it would be nice to have andorians even if they are little more than blue skin-paint, a white wig, and antennae.
__________________
Fem Trekz on Facebook
mos6507 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 19 2013, 09:22 PM   #9
Masquerade
Rear Admiral
 
Masquerade's Avatar
 
Location: ManOnTheWave
Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?

Bry_Sinclair wrote: View Post
Caitian with a rather severe bikini wax maybe
I suppose they could be the Cornish Rex of their species.

iguana_tonante wrote: View Post
That's exactly why they shouldn't use them. What was acceptable in the 60s would look embarrassingly cheap today.
For both of these films, casting put out for people who already look unusual and gave them minor CG enhancements. For the last film, the girl with anime eyes was oft discussed, and this time out, they used Joseph Gatt to good effect by changing his voice and putting in one brief glimpse of an effect on the back of his head. A good background alien doesn't have to be an all CG fest or fifty pounds of sculpted latex. They have to look cool for a second.
__________________
Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.
Masquerade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 19 2013, 09:22 PM   #10
M'Sharak
Definitely Herbert. Maybe.
 
M'Sharak's Avatar
 
Location: Terra Inlandia
Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?

^

mos6507 wrote: View Post

The answer is--because some Trek races are just iconic and it doesn't matter how ornate the makeup is. Orion chicks are fun to have around, and it would be nice to have andorians even if they are little more than blue skin-paint, a white wig, and antennae.
Why not simply say, then, that "These are Trek races I'd really like to see, because I enjoyed seeing them before"? Why diddle around with a "proper Trek races" appeal to legitimacy which holds no water?

"Because I want to see them" is all the reason one needs for saying one wants to see them.
__________________
The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but
that the lightning ain't distributed right.
— Mark Twain
M'Sharak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 19 2013, 11:10 PM   #11
Bry_Sinclair
Commodore
 
Bry_Sinclair's Avatar
 
Location: Tactical withdrawl along the Klingon border
Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?

Which is the reason I was asking, as I'd love to see some of them in the background. ENT did a good job updating the Andorians and Tellarite so they didn't look quite so awful, but there are loads of other Trek races glimpsed at (especially in the TOS films) who could do with modernising.

Granted, I could have posed the question as "previously seen races", but meh, 'proper' fit my mindset at the time I wrote it.
__________________
Avatar: Captain Naya, U.S.S. Renown NCC-1415 [Star Trek: Four Years War]
Manip by: JM1776 (STPMA.net)
Bry_Sinclair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 19 2013, 11:37 PM   #12
Hober Mallow
Commodore
 
Location: The planet Terminus, site of the Encyclopedia Foundation on the periphery of the galaxy
Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?

I just hope they keep Berman-Trek alien races out of the films henceforth.

The one problem with having really alien-looking aliens on Star Trek is that it makes Spock look much less alien and much more human by comparison, and takes away much of the mystique he had at the beginning of TOS when he was really alien. If that makes any sense.
__________________
"Beep... beep!" --Captain Pike
Hober Mallow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 20 2013, 12:12 AM   #13
I am not Spock
Commodore
 
Location: Australia
Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?

We saw Vulcans, Romulans, Klingons, and Orions, out of the classic species. And tribbles, I suppose.

I wouldn't mind Andorians, Tellarites, Gorn, Edosians, Caitians, etc. Those things in STID were not Caitians IMO. Not enough body hair!

Andorians and Tellarites you'd expect to be there, being founder members of the UFP and all.
__________________
It's a FAAAAKKKEEE!
Senator Vreenak- In the Pale Moonlight
I am not Spock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 20 2013, 12:29 AM   #14
Belz...
Fleet Captain
 
Belz...'s Avatar
 
Location: In a finely-crafted cosmos... of my own making.
Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?

I admit that I would like to see Andorians and Tellarites, specifically.
__________________
And that's my opinion.
Belz... is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 20 2013, 01:14 AM   #15
KittyDuran
Lieutenant Commander
 
KittyDuran's Avatar
 
Location: Hungry (like the wolf)
Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?

Those things in STID were not Caitians IMO. Not enough body hair!
I think someone mentioned in another thread that the Caitians twins showed might have been half human/half Caitian...
KittyDuran is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:57 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.