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Old June 18 2013, 02:39 PM   #1
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[ST:ID] Marcus vs. Harrison's plans *SPOILERS*

Anyone got any theories as to what was REALLY going on in everyone's heads.
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Old June 18 2013, 08:00 PM   #2
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Re: [ST:ID] Marcus vs. Harrison's plans *SPOILERS*

Charles Phipps wrote: View Post
Anyone got any theories as to what was REALLY going on in everyone's heads.
Marcus is fantasizing about impressing a female admiral by frying a bunch of Klingons.
Harrison is fantasizing about impressing his frozen girlfriend by popping a few high-ranking heads.
Spock is fantasizing about a threesome with Kirk.
Uhura is fantasizing about getting Spock drunk. Don't ask.
Chekov is fantasizing about spending a night with the textbook on warp mechanics.
Scotty is fantasizing about giant nacelles.
Bones is mad he's a doctor, not a dreamer.

Kirk's already been there.
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Old June 22 2013, 04:06 PM   #3
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Re: [ST:ID] Marcus vs. Harrison's plans *SPOILERS*

Here's my take on the subject:

* Khan plans to steal the pods and put them on the Vengeance, kill Marcus, blow up Section 31, and then steal the Vengeance itself.

* Khan is thwarted by James T. Kirk and falls back to Plan B, retreat to Kronos versus a pre-planned super-transport. He'll there start planning to get back the pods some other means.

* Admiral Marcus decides that he needs to accelerate his plans for a war with the Klingons, deciding to create an expendable crew of pasties to serve as the Lusitania. He chooses the Enterprise after James T. Kirk (noted screw up) volunteers. The fact its crew is mostly only inexperienced goofballs makes it easier.

* Admiral Marcus gives them nonfunctioning torpedoes and intends to follow them to Kronos. Their ship is sabotaged so it will be on the border. Admiral Marcus will then blow the Enterprise up and start their war. The "klingons" will thus be blamed for attacking a defenseless ship.

Khan is irrelevant in Marcus' plans at this point.

* Khan, meanwhile, changes his plan B when Kirk arrives to Plan C and persuades them to help him take down Marcus. Plan C would have involved betraying them once he was in command of the Vengeance.
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Old June 22 2013, 06:22 PM   #4
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Re: [ST:ID] Marcus vs. Harrison's plans *SPOILERS*

1. Khan planned to smuggle his crew off Earth, Vengeance was almost completed and would most likely steal it and either A) attack Earth or B) just run.

2. Marcus found out about the pods and Khan panicked, so he went rogue.
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3. The London bombing occurs shortly after (I figure this happens about two weeks after), Khan, using Mickey Smith, destroys the Section 31 base.
4. The captains of the home fleet are recalled to HQ for a meeting, as planned. Khan attacks, he steals the transwarp beaming unit because he knows he will be shot down.
5. Marcus, an uber warhawk, uses the knowledge of Khans location to kill three birds with one stone, start a war with the Klingons, kill Khan and his crew, and get rid of Kirk. So he sends Kirk to kill him with the torpedos. Now this is the confusing part for me, if the fuel components of the torpedoes were removed for the cryotubes, how did Marcus expect for Kirk to kill Khan UNLESS Marcus' plan was for Kirk to fire the torps, the torps to fail but it wouldn't matter since the Enterprise would be stuck on either edge of the Neutral Zone (more than likely on the Klingon side), the Klingons would find them, blast them to a million pieces, Marcus would have his war, Kirk would be dead, Khan's crew would be dead, and Khan would be stranded on Kronos. But that's all conjecture.

Now the entire mission takes place over about three days. 2259.55 (the day of the bombing) is Febuary, 24th 2259, that's a Thursday. So they leave Friday morning for Kronos. I figure they leave at around 0900 (if anybody who lives in San Fransisco can clarify and guess what time it is). They get to Kronos (or they are forcefully dragged out of warp) at around noon, one o'clock. Now, Sulu says that Kronos is twenty minutes away at sublight, so they take Mudd's ship. After landing I figure the battle took as much time as it did on screen. Khan realizes that his crew is safe on the Enterprise so he surrenders, knowing that he can use Kirk to get back to Earth and steal the Vengeance and return to his original plan.

When Kirk signals back to Earth that he has "Harrison" Marcus has an "Oh shit!" moment. So he orders the crew to the Vengeance. Now the Enterprise is still disabled and Marcus knows that, so he still has some time. It's about 1430 hours now. Kirk has his first conversation with Khan at about the same time. After which, Kirk calls Scott at around 1900. Carol and Bones went down to the planetoid the next day (Saturday the 26th) around 0800. They came back a little while later, let's say 0830. Scotty probable sobered up a bit and stole a shuttle at around 0400. Carol and Bones take the torp apart by about 1030. Scott reaches Jupiter by about the same time. Vengeance departs around 1100 for the two or three hour trip to Kronos. From the "welding team" comment I can infer that she is complete but only just, she's a one-off or so prototype similar to the Yamato and Musashi. Khan knows Marcus is coming and when Vengeance drops out of warp on top of the Enterprise (at around 1300), Khan knows who to tell that the Enterprise is not safe. Carol.

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jumps away, Enterprise is quicker than Vengeance but Vengeance is faster, so she catches up with Enterprise and begins pounding her (they return to Earth orbit at around 1530). At this point Marcus knows he will not get his war but that he can get rid of Kirk and Khan, until Scotty disables the ship. Khan sees the oppurtunity that he's been waiting for, he can grab the Vengeance, grab his crew and blast Starfleet to pieces. Khan knew Kirk didn't trust him, now I don't know if Khan ever trusted Kirk, but his stunning did push him over the edge. After Khan killed Papa Marcus, and Kirk and co are beamed back, Khan began to lay waste to Enterprise until the torpedoes detonated.

Thus begins the Fall, Enterprise was already on her way back to Earth I assume after the torpedo detonation, her power fails at around 1600, the fall takes thirty minutes, she regains control around 1630 hours. Kirk dies. Khan, not giving a fuck, targets Starfleet itself, more than likely planning to kill everyone or worse. Vengeance impacts San Fransisco around 1645. She comes to a halt at around 1650. Spock beams down shortly after. Khan and Spock fight, Uhura beams down at around 1700.

Two weeks later (Stardate 2259.69, March 11, 2259) Kirk wakes up. Enterprise is in dry-dock for repairs. Let's say a year exactly after the entire debacle, Stardate 2260.55, Friday February 24, 2260, Enterprise departs for her five year mission.

This was completely off the top of my head, it's a mess, please contribute and edit.
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Old June 22 2013, 11:22 PM   #5
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Re: [ST:ID] Marcus vs. Harrison's plans *SPOILERS*

Kruezerman wrote: View Post
if the fuel components of the torpedoes were removed for the cryotubes
My understanding was that Khan had replaced the previous fuel units with smaller ones ("retrofitted") that would allow both propulsion and room for the cryotubes...

technically unlikely I admit but Star Trek has always had Bad Science.
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