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Old June 22 2013, 02:11 AM   #91
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I'll often pop a Trek DVD into the tv in my room as I go to bed. I may read awhile with it as background noise, or just roll over and listen to it as I fall asleep. I've been through the movies and DVDs enough times over the years I don't much care if I'm missing something, and the background noise is nice.
Same here. I've seen FC way too many times to keep count although, enough to wear out 2 VHS tapes.
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Old June 22 2013, 10:41 AM   #92
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The song makes zero sense being played at the funeral of a Vulcan.
But at the funeral of a Starfleet officer ?
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Old June 22 2013, 11:34 AM   #93
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The song makes zero sense being played at the funeral of a Vulcan. What they couldn't find a traditional Vulcan funeral ditty in the database?
It's simple. "Amazing Grace" is the only song Scotty knows.

But really, Kirk also insults Spock during his eulogy so I don't think Spock's wishes were foremost on their minds. It's truly a funeral for those left behind, not the one who left.
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Old June 22 2013, 11:35 AM   #94
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A christian hymn? Whatever for? The man wasn't a christian. Would you play Amazing Grace at the funeral of a muslim soldier just because it it was a default funeral song?
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Old June 22 2013, 11:36 AM   #95
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The song makes zero sense being played at the funeral of a Vulcan. What they couldn't find a traditional Vulcan funeral ditty in the database?
It's simple. "Amazing Grace" is the only song Scotty knows.

But really, Kirk also insults Spock during his eulogy so I don't think Spock's wishes were foremost on their minds. It's truly a funeral for those left behind, not the one who left.
I hated that too. "Most human". Really, get a grip people. IDIC isn't about making everyone more like yourself.
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Old June 22 2013, 03:14 PM   #96
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The trouble with the TWOK funeral is that it's clearly trying to be analogous to a Navy funeral, a burial at sea. I don't think anyone expects it to be the official ceremony, but I would question the logic of firing Spock's body out into space if, somewhere in the back of their minds, they expected to attend a "proper" Vulcan ceremony later on?

The scene is staged well and is dramatic enough, but it doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Old June 22 2013, 03:29 PM   #97
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I hated that too. "Most human". Really, get a grip people. IDIC isn't about making everyone more like yourself.
That wasn't Kirk's point. His use of the word human had nothing to do with Spock's origin or background. He was speaking of Spock's desire to learn about the universe around him and use his experiences as a means of self-improvement, as well as his dedication to his shipmates and the courage he demonstrated in sacrificing himself to save his crew.

Each of these attributes- dedication, courage, compassion, curiosity, wonder, and determination- are admirable and represent the finest examples of what it means to be an individual, be that individual human, Vulcan, or otherwise. As Spock's closest friend, Kirk likely knew these things about him long before he died, but he wanted to share with everyone else how much these aspects of Spock's personality meant to him, that he'd never before met anyone who exemplified such values better, and how much he would miss them in Spock's absence.

He wasn't trying to assert that Spock was just like him. Kirk was trying to make the point that even someone with so many fundamental differences from him could still exhibit qualities that another person could relate to, admire, and even love.

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Old June 22 2013, 05:24 PM   #98
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A christian hymn? Whatever for? The man wasn't a christian. Would you play Amazing Grace at the funeral of a muslim soldier just because it it was a default funeral song?
Yes, I already answered that: the funeral was Starfleet, not Vulcan.
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Old June 22 2013, 10:41 PM   #99
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Something else I also noticed on viewing #474

Look closely at the tactical station behind Spock just after the initial battle with Khan.

Spock has beamed over to the reliant!

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...twokhd0540.jpg
What, only in 474? I noticed that around my viewing #200 or so.

As it was said before, it's because Spock has just tied his computer to Reliant's. Can't be a production mistake since the Enterprise bridge scenes and Reliant's were filmed separatedly in time.

What took me longer to notice was this picture, and only after HD screencaps came to the internet (I don't do bluray):

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...twokhd0435.jpg

After universal fanwanking and such about how it represented the "defense fields" Saavik energized just before (this theory I read in Shane Johnson's book), it was just a recycled unused prop from ST1 (it seems to indicate the level of Ilia's quarters for the intruder alert).
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Old June 22 2013, 11:37 PM   #100
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As it was said before, it's because Spock has just tied his computer to Reliant's. Can't be a production mistake since the Enterprise bridge scenes and Reliant's were filmed separatedly in time.
You're assuming they didn't need re-shoots. It's personal incredulity on my part, but I find it very hard to believe that when producing the movie, they took the time to change a panel no one would notice (before the 200th viewing, that is) because of some techno-babble, even if the in-universe explanation makes sense.
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Old June 23 2013, 12:33 AM   #101
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A christian hymn? That's a huge stretch.
I agree it's a stretch, but it's not impossible.

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Old June 23 2013, 12:54 AM   #102
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A christian hymn? Whatever for? The man wasn't a christian. Would you play Amazing Grace at the funeral of a muslim soldier just because it it was a default funeral song?
Yes, I already answered that: the funeral was Starfleet, not Vulcan.
Starfleet is not a christian organization and Starfleet is so far from whatever kneejerk christianity the current US military uses as tradition that this makes no sense at all.

And I really don't think any military that traditionally uses Amazing Grace for burials would be using it when burying a muslim. People are not that tacky and insensitive.
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Old June 23 2013, 01:14 AM   #103
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Perhaps his mother requested it.
Good point. We don't see Amanda there, but it's possible a recording was sent to Spock's parents so they'd have a keepsake by which to remember their son.

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Old June 23 2013, 02:11 AM   #104
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Starfleet is not a christian organization and Starfleet is so far from whatever kneejerk christianity the current US military uses as tradition that this makes no sense at all.
Really, I can't believe people take issue with the choice of the eulogy music. Maybe Scotty chose it. Who cares if it's Christian or Muslim or secular or Vulcan ?
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Old June 23 2013, 02:22 AM   #105
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Really, I can't believe people take issue with the choice of the eulogy music. Maybe Scotty chose it. Who cares if it's Christian or Muslim or secular or Vulcan ?
I agree. Of all the things people could make an issue of in TWOK, this isn't high on the list.

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