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View Poll Results: Rate A Choice of Futures.
Outstanding 54 50.47%
Above Average 39 36.45%
Average 10 9.35%
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Old August 28 2013, 06:35 PM   #226
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Re: ENT: A Choice of Futures by C. L. Bennett Review Thread (Spoilers!

Christopher thanks for putting up fhe annotations. I will get to them later today.
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Old August 28 2013, 11:18 PM   #227
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Thank you for the annotations. Some great insight, as usual.
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Old August 29 2013, 08:13 AM   #228
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What I didn't anticipate is that it'd take me nearly an entire day with very few breaks to do it. If I'd known that, I might have waited.
Fortunate for your fans who didn't have to wait till uptime. Lucky us!
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Old August 29 2013, 01:49 PM   #229
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Christopher in the annotations 110 you mean Robert L. Forward's Dragon's Egg?
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Old August 29 2013, 03:26 PM   #230
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^Oops! Thanks, fixed.
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Old August 29 2013, 04:42 PM   #231
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No problem Christopher.
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Old August 29 2013, 04:45 PM   #232
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Fascinating annotations, as usual. Thanks!
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Old August 29 2013, 05:04 PM   #233
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I'm curious: Are Starfleet officers in the 2260's paid? According to Voyager's "Dark Frontier", the moneyless "New World Economy" didn't take shape until the late 22nd century.
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Old August 29 2013, 05:46 PM   #234
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I'm curious: Are Starfleet officers in the 2260's paid? According to Voyager's "Dark Frontier", the moneyless "New World Economy" didn't take shape until the late 22nd century.
Do you mean 2160s? There are a few references in TOS to Starfleet officers getting paid, so it stands to reason their predecessors a century earlier did too. The TOS economy was only "moneyless" in the sense that payment was in electronic credits, which is a system we're increasingly approaching today.
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Old August 29 2013, 05:57 PM   #235
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I just finished reading the annotations for this book thanks for posting them on your website.I found the background on certain story plots like Trip and section 31 very intriguing.
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Old August 29 2013, 08:12 PM   #236
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I'm curious: Are Starfleet officers in the 2260's paid? According to Voyager's "Dark Frontier", the moneyless "New World Economy" didn't take shape until the late 22nd century.
Do you mean 2160s? There are a few references in TOS to Starfleet officers getting paid, so it stands to reason their predecessors a century earlier did too. The TOS economy was only "moneyless" in the sense that payment was in electronic credits, which is a system we're increasingly approaching today.
Yep, 2160's. My bad.

I realize there were references to money throughout The Original Series, but my impression was that STIV and Voyager intended to retcon them into oblivion and imply the supposedly greedless "we work to better ourselves" system Picard described in First Contact came into being post-ENT.
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Old August 29 2013, 10:15 PM   #237
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^I don't think they thought it through that systematically. Inconsistencies happen in any franchise this large with so many different people interpreting it over so much time. But there's clear evidence of a credit system in use in TOS. Harry Mudd and Cyrano Jones would not make sense as characters if they didn't exist in a society with some form of wealth.

Besides, ST IV wasn't Roddenberry's work, and it predated TNG, so it's unlikely to have had any such ideological motivations. Personally I never took Kirk's "no money" line to mean anything but that he was accustomed to purely electronic credit transactions and thus didn't use paper money.
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Old August 30 2013, 11:42 AM   #238
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My major gripe was that both of the 'ship' stories were resolved with a slightly heavy emphasis on the way forward being exploration and understanding. I'm not arguing against that - it's at the heart of Star Trek, but to have two stories making the same point seemed a bit much.
Well, CLB's books are very heavy on the 'understanding' theme.

Of course, such a solution is quite unrealistic, history-wise; indeed, it's far closer to a pipe dream than to a practical solution: in the vast majority of conflicts/wars throughout history, there was no misunderstanding between the combatants regarding the opposing side, their purpose, etc.
No 'understanding the other' was the key to peace - no one was a teddy bear hidden behind a ruthless appearance. In the best cases, the pragmatical calculus of the potential gain versus the risk involved in continuing the conflict led to peace.
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Old August 30 2013, 01:37 PM   #239
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Of course, such a solution is quite unrealistic, history-wise; indeed, it's far closer to a pipe dream than to a practical solution: in the vast majority of conflicts/wars throughout history, there was no misunderstanding between the combatants regarding the opposing side, their purpose, etc.
Wow. Speaking as a student of history, I find that one of the most naive statements I've ever read. The entire Cold War was an enormous mutual misunderstanding. Both sides assumed the other side planned to invade them, and built up nuclear stockpiles in self-defense, which the other side interpreted as a buildup to invasion, so they built more weapons in self-defense, etc.

Heck, even allies misunderstand each other's cultures and priorities all the time. It's hard for people to recognize that other cultures and individuals define the world differently than they do. The history of human cross-cultural interaction is a history of mutual misunderstanding and confusion. Heck, individuals fall prey to silly misunderstandings and comedies/tragedies of errors all the time, so why would civilizations be any different?
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Old August 30 2013, 02:05 PM   #240
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I never took Kirk's "no money" line to mean anything but that he was accustomed to purely electronic credit transactions and thus didn't use paper money.

That's the way I take ALL "no money" lines in Trek.
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