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Old June 17 2013, 03:35 PM   #16
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Re: Klingon Blood

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^I vaguely remember hearing that showing red blood would have changed the film's rating when it was released. I'm not sure if that's true, however.

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In that case I think it might be true because of the amount of blood shown. Instead of Klingon's bleeding from wounds, they were spraying blood out of wounds and there was blood everywhere when gravity was restored. IT WAS A BLOODBATH!

A little bit of red blood lets you keep PG, gallons of red blood takes you to PG-13 or R. Gallons of Pepto Bismol lets you keep the PG.

Makes sense to me.
I have heard that explanation too. Bright red everywhere=PG-13 or R.

Similarly, I also heard that this reason is similar to why in the movie Taxi Driver, they had to wash out the color red at the ending shoot out scene, because if it were left natural colors, Taxi Driver would have been rated X.
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Old June 17 2013, 06:21 PM   #17
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Reminds me of the dinosaur entry in the 1964 World Book encyclopedia. In the illustrations showing T-Rex attacking and feeding on other dinosaurs, all the blood is bright pink.
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Old June 17 2013, 08:27 PM   #18
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Of course, there was a more viable alternative than red or pink blood...no blood at all. When, before or since, have we ever seen a phaser cause bloody wounds?
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Old June 17 2013, 09:04 PM   #19
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That may have been the point. After all, which do you think will inspire a Klingon to revenge, a missing man, or a bloody corpse?
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Old June 17 2013, 09:09 PM   #20
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Phasers can kill without disintegrating. An energy beam should burn, not slice.
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Old June 17 2013, 09:17 PM   #21
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Phasers can kill without disintegrating. An energy beam should burn, not slice.
Nah! Phasers do whatever the plot says they can.

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Old June 18 2013, 06:13 PM   #22
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Phasers can kill without disintegrating. An energy beam should burn, not slice.
Even an energy beam, when burning its way through, say, a major artery, is going to leave a hole through which blood will flow. The wound itself has crispy edges, but that doesn't prevent any fluids inside from leaking out, and any that are under pressure, like blood, will spray.
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Old June 18 2013, 11:12 PM   #23
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Also, phasers do not seem to generate heat when they make things disappear. Even when "burning" a big hole in a wall of rock, they leave a tunnel that is cool to the touch and immediately traversable.

Generally, the make-disappear effect travels along a medium until it either reaches a phase boundary (say, flesh/air) or runs out of oomph. The latter is evident in those holes-in-walls, and could obviously be exploited by just tuning down the make-disappear beam so that it removes a chunk of your arm but then stops. Hence Brigadier Kerla in two distinct pieces, both spewing blood from wounds that were never subjected to any sort of a cauterizing effect...

Whether this type of rare and exotic phaser effect also could turn Klingon red blood purple is an interesting question. All the purple blood we see could in eyewitness opinion be the result of phaser hits, so if the eyewitnesses are aware and/or convinced that Starfleet phasers do this sort of thing, they would expect it also from the corpse created by Scotty's sidearm. (Although actually all the red blood from Colonel West's skull seems to be from it getting crushed in the fall.)

It has also been postulated that Klingon blood turns purple in freefall, including the zero-gee fight on the battle cruiser and the assassin's fall from on high. Difficult to believe the blood even noticing that it's being subjected to one gee less than usual, though...

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Old June 19 2013, 07:29 AM   #24
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I still say it was radiation from Praxis that made it all lavender. We never saw the blood of any Klingon that wasn't on Q'onoS when Praxis exploded in TUC, so it's a valid supposition.
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Old June 19 2013, 11:14 AM   #25
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^We also never saw the blood of any Klingons that we know for a fact were on the homeworld when Praxis went ka-blooey.

If it was not normal for them, why would Worf say, "This is not Klingon blood" when examining red blood?
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Old June 19 2013, 04:24 PM   #26
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Maybe Klingons have different blood types and those blood types can vary in color. The Chancellor may've had type, I dunno, "chopl'lkth" blood that appeared pink, while Worf has type, uh, "gash'blosh" blood, which appears dark red.
This is not without precedent - Vulcans also seem to have at least two colors of blood. Where most Vulcans have green copper-based blood, this scene from Journey to Babel appears to have Sarek's "rare T-negative" blood looking extremely dark dark green, almost black.
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Old June 19 2013, 07:54 PM   #27
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Maybe Klingons have different blood types and those blood types can vary in color. The Chancellor may've had type, I dunno, "chopl'lkth" blood that appeared pink, while Worf has type, uh, "gash'blosh" blood, which appears dark red.
This is not without precedent - Vulcans also seem to have at least two colors of blood. Where most Vulcans have green copper-based blood, this scene from Journey to Babel appears to have Sarek's "rare T-negative" blood looking extremely dark dark green, almost black.
That looks like it's just an effect of the tubing. The blood itself doesn't appear to be all that dark.

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Old June 19 2013, 08:39 PM   #28
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I was referring to the two "reservoir bulbs" in the overhanging wall-mounted thingy (now being referred to as the "Jefferies Separator" in this thread, which is showing different colors). There definitely seems to be a light green and dark green there. The tubes corresponding to the light green blood are going to Spock and the tubes under the dark green/black blood are going to Sarek, below, off-screen on the operating table.
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Old June 19 2013, 08:45 PM   #29
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I was referring to the two "reservoir bulbs" in the overhanging wall-mounted thingy. There definitely seems to be a light green and dark green there. The tubes corresponding to the light green blood are going to Spock. The tubes under the dark green/black blood are going to Sarek, below, off-screen on the operating table.
Thank you. I see what you're talking about now. Without having prescise knowlege of Vulcan or Romulan hematology (for lack of a better term), I don't know that a different surface antigen or cell marker would change the color of the blood. There must be another reason we're not aware of.

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Old June 19 2013, 08:50 PM   #30
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^Following up on this post, one major plot-point that's never addressed is whether Spock's parents tried to conceive any other children after he was born.

Incompatibility between maternal and fetal blood can result in the hemolysis (destruction) of red blood cells, a condition called erythroblastosis fetalis (or hydrops fetalis if fatal) in subsequent pregnancies because the mother's immune system makes antibodies that respond to the different surface antigens present on the red blood cells of the fetus.

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