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Old July 3 2013, 04:27 AM   #16
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Re: Enterprise had the best looking phaser beams

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Those white pulses were Captain Robau's first choice for meeting the Nero threat, though.
No, they were not used at all while Robau was on board the Kelvin... or, for that matter, while he was alive. Both times Narada fires on them, their missiles are (partially) intercepted by sweeping red phaser beams. The torpedo cannons aren't deployed until immediately after Robau was killed.

We might speculate that the pulses are an old-fashioned CIWS system
They're not. They were never used against Narada's missiles, and in fact we have no visual record of them successfully intercepting one. The trajectories of the pulses appear to be concentrated directly on the Narada, and immediately before Kirk begins his suicide run we see them focussing all of their fire in a single direction, evidently directly towards the center of the Narada's hull, at a time when the phasers are still sweeping laterally, screening the shuttles' escape.
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Old July 5 2013, 03:17 AM   #17
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Re: Enterprise had the best looking phaser beams

Sadly real beams will be invisible active denial beams. Very contentrated beams might be rather like an invisible Jason Voorhees looping through victims with monofiliment lines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDE9uXvHjHo

I think we will have visible beam energy weapons eventually.

I know because I have 2 of these in the video and they are fucking dangerous. The brightness of the diffused reflection when they hit the wall is actually about 10 times more than what you see in that video (the camera just filters out the brightness to what the sensor saturates with)

In the next 10-20 years there will technology powerful enough to make beams like these as deadly as bullets, or deadlier.


Laser/phser fights seem more like squirt gun fights with the beam splattering on contact with people, where they just grad their chest and fall down stunned.

I wish that was all that ever happened on the battle field.
I chalk this up simply to the fact that they don't want to show people actually getting killed on family oriented entertainment like Star Trek. We have seen episodes where people are cut right thru when the phasers are set high enough to do more than stun.
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Old July 5 2013, 09:30 PM   #18
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No, they were not used at all while Robau was on board the Kelvin... or, for that matter, while he was alive. Both times Narada fires on them, their missiles are (partially) intercepted by sweeping red phaser beams. The torpedo cannons aren't deployed until immediately after Robau was killed.
Ah, true enough - I was completely mistaken there, getting it the wrong way around.

They're not. They were never used against Narada's missiles, and in fact we have no visual record of them successfully intercepting one. The trajectories of the pulses appear to be concentrated directly on the Narada
Umm, there's quite a bit of lack of concentration there. Say, here:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...ekxihd0141.jpg

It very much seems the white pulses are being used against the torpedoes - they simply are no good at it.

and immediately before Kirk begins his suicide run we see them focussing all of their fire in a single direction, evidently directly towards the center of the Narada's hull, at a time when the phasers are still sweeping laterally, screening the shuttles' escape.
Which is a smart move when it becomes evident that they are no good at anything else. Doesn't mean they would be any good as antiship weapons, either, though.

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Old July 6 2013, 07:42 AM   #19
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Umm, there's quite a bit of lack of concentration there. Say, here:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...ekxihd0141.jpg
Watch that scene in motion. The pulses aren't slewing very rapidly and they clearly aren't tracking any moving targets. On the contrary, they seem to be shooting at something that is otherwise stationary with respect to the Kelvin and the very little movement we see is accounted for by Kelvin's evasive maneuvers.

Which means they're probably shooting at Narada's torpedo launchers or the tactical officers' best guess at where those torpedoes (or their targeting beams) are coming from.

Which is a smart move when it becomes evident that they are no good at anything else. Doesn't mean they would be any good as antiship weapons, either, though.
Well, Narada does completely stop firing at them about thirty seconds later. Which is good, because that's the same point at which Kelvin's weapons are completely out of ammo.
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Old July 6 2013, 08:35 PM   #20
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But we also know the Narada is prone to running out of ammo, and this would be a natural time for that to happen...

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Old July 9 2013, 11:35 PM   #21
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Were some of those supposed to be neutronium jacketed missiles?
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Old July 10 2013, 07:44 AM   #22
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The movie says nothing about the nature of any of the weapons. We don't know what Nero is firing (George Kirk calls them "torpedoes", Spock's ship thinks they are "missiles", but that's that). We don't know what the whitish bolts from the Kelvin are. And all we know about the red beams is that Robau says "fire all phasers!" but only just before his ship is silenced - so perhaps he never got the chance to fire any phasers, and all he ever got working was old gamma lasers or something?

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