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Old July 24 2013, 02:30 PM   #46
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And all "official" ones of the TOS Enterprise contradict each other or don't fully match up to the ship shown on screen anyway.

They're all included in written material outside of the shown, never onscreen, so no fully official plans of ship exist outside of the cutaway in "In a Mirror Darkly", which has no annotations.
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Old July 24 2013, 03:14 PM   #47
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Well, the "warp tunnel" tends to distort the picture, so maybe it was just a visual thing.
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Old July 24 2013, 03:37 PM   #48
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...Basically, the classic JJ Abrams camera shake, now applied to the visual effects as well.

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Old July 24 2013, 03:43 PM   #49
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Actually looking at my picture compared to the others, the curved vapour trails seem to come after the beam has hit, so it may be super heated warp exhaust, created by the phaser passing through it.
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Old July 24 2013, 04:09 PM   #50
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I mean I liked it. The phasers seemed more like lightning bolts that had a huge amount of power. They look like a weapon.
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Actually looking at my picture compared to the others, the curved vapour trails seem to come after the beam has hit, so it may be super heated warp exhaust, created by the phaser passing through it.
It's easier to see in slow motion, though; the beam itself is following a curved path prior to impact. More importantly, the effect is also noticeable AFTER the ship has dropped out of warp.
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Actually looking at my picture compared to the others, the curved vapour trails seem to come after the beam has hit, so it may be super heated warp exhaust, created by the phaser passing through it.
It's easier to see in slow motion, though; the beam itself is following a curved path prior to impact. More importantly, the effect is also noticeable AFTER the ship has dropped out of warp.
Hmm, I wonder if some of that new 'advanced' weaponry is something like a laser painter, dotting the hull with something we can't see polarising a spot in it, the phaser arcing between the two. A lightning bolt of a sort as someone else suggested.
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Old July 25 2013, 03:55 PM   #54
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^ That would be a FANTASTIC explanation for how phasers really work, considering how rarely phasers actually miss their target.
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^ Wouldn't that basically imply that phasers are subluminal, speed-wise? Otherwise the phaser "bolt" would pretty much arrive at the same time as the pointer, so I don't think it would be all that beneficial.

Then again, I may be wrong -- dang relativity!!

Was it mentioned up-thread that this (supposed) arcing could be artifacts from the 3D conversion process? Even in 2D (best way to see STID, IMO), you could tell where there was a "3D type" scene (like the "warp trails", etc.), as it would skew things visually.

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Old July 25 2013, 04:18 PM   #56
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A "lightning bolt" spanning the distance between two "special" points in space, the emitter and the somehow tagged destination, would also explain why phasers always take the same amount of time to reach their target, regardless of the distance to the target. If the target is two meters away, it takes three frames of film to get there; if the target is twenty thousand kilometers away, it takes three frames of film. Perhaps phaser beams are basically just destructive transporter beams that go from A to B instantaneously but waste a standard amount of time "emerging" thereafter, only they are so powerful that they leak light across the "channel" created between A and B, whereas transporter beams are invisible in their "channels".

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^ Wouldn't that basically imply that phasers are subluminal, speed-wise?
Absolutely. Which they obviously are, as we've seen in Trek for the past 30 years now. Phaser beams seem to

Was it mentioned up-thread that this (supposed) arcing could be artifacts from the 3D conversion process? Even in 2D (best way to see STID, IMO), you could tell where there was a "3D type" scene (like the "warp trails", etc.), as it would skew things visually.
They would follow the same path either way; 2D images become 3D only by slightly offsetting the image a couple of degrees where the filter on the opposite eye will see it in a slightly different position.
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Old July 25 2013, 05:01 PM   #58
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Phasers are neither sub- or superluminal, but rather have variable speed. Hand phaser beams move very slowly; starship phaser beams move very fast, and often at high warp (because they can explicitly reach targets at warp). It's just a matter of scale: a beam that appears to move at a certain speed is fast or slow depending on the distance it covers.

Nothing wrong with that, really. It's actually quite understandable that starship-fired beams would be faster, as there is more power behind them than behind sidearm beams...

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Phasers are neither sub- or superluminal, but rather have variable speed. Hand phaser beams move very slowly; starship phaser beams move very fast, and often at high warp (because they can explicitly reach targets at warp).
But then the relative velocities between those two ships are quite a bit lower and the phaser beam itself isn't moving all that fast with respect to the ship that fires it or the ship it hits.
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Old July 25 2013, 07:48 PM   #60
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Not in cases where only one of the ships is at warp - say, "Journey to Babel" or "Elaan of Troyius". Plus we have beams going from Mars to Earth in no time flat in ENT, with otherwise phaserlike capabilities...

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