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Old April 7 2014, 03:59 PM   #1276
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What was the "Doctor in Distress" comment, by the way?
It was back in 2012, when it became apparent that there was only going to be a half-season that year in the autumn.

Levine was complaining about BBC mismanagement of the series.

I made the mistake of saying something like, "Can we expect a Doctor in Distress 2012?" and including his Twitter handle in the Tweet. To which he did an all-caps "FUCK YOU!" and he's never replied to anything else from me since.
Oh, that's excellent. You should feel quite proud, I'd say!
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Old April 8 2014, 12:01 AM   #1277
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I've only ever heard the missing episode audios.
I actually think there'd be no Big Finish without them - fandom (at least legally) had no better way to experience them, and also proved we were willing to pay £12 or so for two CDs every month.
I think your timing's a bit out there: the Massacre was the first missing episode release, in 1999, by which point Big Finish had already negotiated their licence to make Doctor Who audios (having been trying to get it for a few years beforehand - as a company, Big Finish was there long before its Doctor Who output. In 1996 they were prepping for a Sophie Aldred-starring straight to VHS SF film/pilot which never happened, but was looking to film in late '96).
If anything, it was the money coming in from the Big Finish licence that let Justin Richards persuade the BBC to try a second missing episode release, on CD rather than tape, when the Massacre's sales were disappointing.
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Old April 8 2014, 12:27 PM   #1278
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Actually there were a set of missing episodes released on cassette back in 1993 - Power and Evil Of The Daleks, The Macra Terror, and Tomb Of The Cybermen.

*Those* are the missing episode releases that presumably led to BF...
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Old April 8 2014, 08:42 PM   #1279
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And Fury From The Deep. I think those cassette releases did very well, even getting into the Album charts.

The BBC did bring out a few other audiobooks after the TVM, but its true The Massacre was the start of the missing audios done properly. That had dual cassette and CD release, but was the last cassette release.

Big Finish had dual release too until the end of 2000.
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Old April 8 2014, 09:10 PM   #1280
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Yes, I'd forgotten them, as the range peetered out after 94. (God, Eric Saward was peeved at the bad review we gave to Power of the Daleks in DWB).
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Old April 8 2014, 09:27 PM   #1281
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Yes, I'd forgotten them, as the range peetered out after 94. (God, Eric Saward was peeved at the bad review we gave to Power of the Daleks in DWB).
"pain like a Terileptil's hunting knife..."

And that's just off the top of my head. Terrible linking narration, despite having Tom to do it...
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Old April 10 2014, 10:35 AM   #1282
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Yes, I'd forgotten them, as the range peetered out after 94. (God, Eric Saward was peeved at the bad review we gave to Power of the Daleks in DWB).
I absolutely loved the 1993 cassette release of Power. I bought them in England in 1994 (20 years ago last month) and practically wore them out listening to them. Then again they were my first exposure to those missing stories so I didn't know anything else.

I've since replaced them with digital copies of all the CD releases (except Macra Terror cos I missed it). I managed to track down a digital copy of Tom's version; while I still have fond memories listening to it, Anneke's version is much clearer and explains so much more (like exactly what those high pitch noises were when they're trying to escape the cell in ep5, initially I thought they were just damages on the tape!).
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Old April 10 2014, 05:52 PM   #1283
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Posted by TIEA on FB today:

T.I.E.A understands the passion felt by Doctor Who fans and that looking for missing episodes of Doctor who plus many other shows is an important but tiny part of the work that T.I.E.A does.The main aim of this organisation is to assist those archives whose own cultural heritage is under threat.If any programmes do still exist T.I.E.A will endeavor to recover them safely as with web of fear and enemy of the world.T.I.E.A are not sponsored by any organisation we are a completely independent body we work alongside many organisations such as the B.F.I .
However as much as people want specific programmes found wishing them into existence or starting rumors will not magically return them .Individuals trying to extract information which does not exist or is commercially confidential will be deleted unread any legitimate inquires for T.I.E.A LTD services are welcome.
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Old April 10 2014, 05:59 PM   #1284
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So, they admit to Confidential Commercial information
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Old April 10 2014, 06:05 PM   #1285
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It seems the tweet is part of a suggestion that the films Ian "found" in Taiwan... don't exist. There has been a twitter exchange between Levine and Paul V about this, with Morris poking from the sidelines.

It's not very edifying from any of them
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Old April 10 2014, 06:12 PM   #1286
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That message from Morris is very much a non-denial. Whether or not he has any more, he is partially responsible for letting this continue.

A simple, we don't have any more missing episodes of Doctor Who would suffice. I'd say "thank you very much" and let it go at that.

Now they're all looking like nut jobs to be honest.

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Old April 10 2014, 06:26 PM   #1287
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That message from Morris is very much a non-denial. Whether or not he has any more, he is partially responsible for letting this continue.
Now, that's hardly fair. As the message makes clear, recovering Doctor Who episodes is a small sidebar of the organization's work. So they can't devote their exclusive attention to it, and it's irrational to expect them to.

And confidentiality agreements exist for a reason. It's completely backward to say that someone is in the wrong for choosing not to betray a trust or violate the terms of a contract. These aren't arbitrary choices. There is more to life than the instant gratification of a TV show's fanbase.
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Old April 10 2014, 07:06 PM   #1288
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^ It being a small side bar doesn't preclude them from saying they don't have more if they don't. That hardly requires their "exclusive attention." Instead, they waste their time making a non-informative announcement.

No, what I say is quite fair.

And, what confidentiality agreement are you refering to? Certainly if Morris' company found some missing DW episode, Morris as CEO could say so.

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Old April 10 2014, 08:39 PM   #1289
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But if they do have more and have confidentiality agreements that prevent them from saying so, then they would be betraying a trust if they did say so. In business, there are all sorts of reasons for things to be kept secret until the time is right. For instance, when I sell a book, I'm not able to announce it until the contracts are signed and approved and the publisher is ready to go ahead with the announcement. That's not some attempt to screw over the fans, it's just a part of how professionals do things.

And it was the press release in post #1283 that referenced "information which... is commercially confidential." And it's not just about Morris's company, because that's not the only professional entity involved here. TIEA may find the episodes, but they're owned and copyrighted by the BBC, and they're held by other parties that may need to be negotiated with in some way in order to secure their release. I don't know specifically what might be delaying any announcement, but it is entirely possible that there are legitimate business or legal reasons that require such a delay. In any case, it's not exclusively TIEA's decision, so it's ignorant to blame them or accuse them of acting in poor faith.
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Old April 10 2014, 10:27 PM   #1290
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And none of this is yes/no stuff. How do you issue a statement like "Maybe. But even getting the chance to check takes careful persuasion of people who'd prefer it if we just stopped bothering them and will ignore us if we talk about this."?
The only yes comes when the episodes are back and salvaged. The only no when there are no more leads to check.
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