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Old December 20 2013, 01:42 AM   #1096
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Re: Wiped Episode Discoveries

There's a good chance that the Zambia purchase of Space Pirates - the last 'original' black and white sale - is the reason it's missing; the copies that might have survived went to Zambia instead.
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Old December 20 2013, 01:49 AM   #1097
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He has to get himself into the centre of attention somehow, I guess.
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Old December 20 2013, 08:35 AM   #1098
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Re: Wiped Episode Discoveries

Since 2011 there have been 24 episodes show up out of the woodwork;

July 2011: Galaxy 4 3 and The Underwater Menace 2
August 2011: The Romans 3
March 2012: The Reign of Terror 1
April 2012: The Web Planet 6
April 2013: The Rescue 1 and The Enemy of the World 1 2 3 4 5 6
May 2013: The Web of Fear 1 2 4 5 6
July 2013: An Unearthly Child 1 and The Tenth Planet 2
December 2013: The Dominators 2 3 and The Seeds of Death 2 and The War Games 1 2
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Old December 20 2013, 01:24 PM   #1099
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Re: Wiped Episode Discoveries

Carols by Candlelight wrote: View Post
Since 2011 there have been 24 episodes show up out of the woodwork;

July 2011: Galaxy 4 3 and The Underwater Menace 2
August 2011: The Romans 3
March 2012: The Reign of Terror 1
April 2012: The Web Planet 6
April 2013: The Rescue 1 and The Enemy of the World 1 2 3 4 5 6
May 2013: The Web of Fear 1 2 4 5 6
July 2013: An Unearthly Child 1 and The Tenth Planet 2
December 2013: The Dominators 2 3 and The Seeds of Death 2 and The War Games 1 2
Web of Fear 3 has also been confirmed, it just wasn't ready yet for iTunes, right? It'll be on the DVD Release? Or is that still just speculation?
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Old December 20 2013, 02:40 PM   #1100
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Re: Wiped Episode Discoveries

Sindatur wrote: View Post
Carols by Candlelight wrote: View Post
Since 2011 there have been 24 episodes show up out of the woodwork;

July 2011: Galaxy 4 3 and The Underwater Menace 2
August 2011: The Romans 3
March 2012: The Reign of Terror 1
April 2012: The Web Planet 6
April 2013: The Rescue 1 and The Enemy of the World 1 2 3 4 5 6
May 2013: The Web of Fear 1 2 4 5 6
July 2013: An Unearthly Child 1 and The Tenth Planet 2
December 2013: The Dominators 2 3 and The Seeds of Death 2 and The War Games 1 2
Web of Fear 3 has also been confirmed, it just wasn't ready yet for iTunes, right? It'll be on the DVD Release? Or is that still just speculation?
That's the first time I've heard any rumors saying episode three of The Web of Fear was held back because it wasn't ready for release yet. I find that idea highly unlikely considering how long they had the episodes before releasing them. Surely if one of the episodes wasn't ready, they would've waited.
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Old December 20 2013, 03:28 PM   #1101
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24 episodes in 30 months is a pretty encouraging pace, even if some were already intact. Hopefully there are more to be found.
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Old December 20 2013, 04:07 PM   #1102
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Seems we've been averaging 50% missing from the recoveries then, which is a useful bit of info to bear in mind. Better than I'd have expected; I'd have guessed that finds would be more biased to the better selling stories, and hence to those already recovered.

As for Web of Fear 3, there's a widespread rumour that it was found with the rest, but the film is damaged, so it won't be announced unless it can be salvaged.
In the DWM feature on Web/Enemy, the restorers certainly mentioned that some of the film cans for the other episodes had been dribbled on by a leak and damaged, but fortunately the corrosion hadn't eaten through to the actual films themselves (yet; a few more years and, goodnight vienna!). The rumour is that Web 3 was there, but it had been more badly damaged, to the extent that the film may not be salvagable (in the same piece, Philip Morris does say that he's not given up hope of finding part 3, which could be a coded hint; equally, he could mean that he has a lead on another film store at PBTV, in which case they might have Abominable Snowmen and Wheel in Space as well). Whether there's any substance to this, or if it's just people putting two and two together to get a hopeful five I don't know; I've not heard anything direct from anyone near the horse's mouth on that.
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Old December 20 2013, 06:00 PM   #1103
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The rate of finds for missing material certainly is encouraging! Definitely gives hope for more recoveries down the road!

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Old December 21 2013, 08:55 PM   #1104
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Facebook reports from Missing Believed Wiped are confirming that Philip Morris has returned 10,000 film cans to the BBC; no word on what, if any, missing material is amongst them, but there's got to be some, though not necessarily more Who.
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Old December 21 2013, 09:42 PM   #1105
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I'm led believe that's not correct (of course!) and just that it was said in the documentary it was rumoured he'd found those sort of numbers.
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Old December 21 2013, 10:22 PM   #1106
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I'm led believe that's not correct (of course!) and just that it was said in the documentary it was rumoured he'd found those sort of numbers.
Indeed, have just picked up that it was one reference in the documentary.
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Old December 22 2013, 04:37 PM   #1107
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Paul Vanezis has responded to the claims in the BFI documentary, in the process offering some sad news for Morecambe and Wise fans. He's requested that the post not be reproduced, so I won't quote, but it's publicly viewable here. Obviously with any Vanezis statement you want to be looking for careful wording, but food for thought nonetheless.
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Old December 22 2013, 04:43 PM   #1108
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Okay, the gist of it seems to be that Morris is still cataloguing finds and thus hasn't fully identified everything in his possession or determined its recoverability yet. So the lack of information given to the public might simply be a result of Morris's own people not having the full information yet. Sounds reasonable. So there could be new finds yet to come, or not.
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Old December 22 2013, 06:51 PM   #1109
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Okay, the gist of it seems to be that Morris is still cataloguing finds and thus hasn't fully identified everything in his possession or determined its recoverability yet. So the lack of information given to the public might simply be a result of Morris's own people not having the full information yet. Sounds reasonable. So there could be new finds yet to come, or not.
It's more likely that they aren't ready for sale yet, they've been found for the better part of a year according to rumors, but it still takes a while to remaster them.
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Old December 22 2013, 07:39 PM   #1110
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they've been found for the better part of a year according to rumors
Well, that's what's we're discussing: whether the rumors have that right. It's also been a big part of the rumors that Phil Morris shipped thousands of film cans at once, that a lot more material is already in the possession of the BBC, that "Marco Polo" is being or has been restored, etc, and people have denied all three in the kind of absolute language they didn't use about Enemy and Web. At this point I'm out of the business of claiming anything with real confidence, but I'm increasingly inclined to agree with Rarewolf that whatever else Morris may have found, it hasn't made its way back to the BBC (or, for ITV material, the BFI) yet.
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