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Old October 8 2013, 02:26 PM   #691
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Re: Wiped Episode Discoveries

Pretty sure there's some people left from Web of Fear: if nobody from among the soldiers, then I think I'd have heard about Rod Beacham (Corporal Lane) dying via Blake's 7 fandom (he wrote Assassin, and the Ice Maiden episodes of Bergerac). Also, wikipedia has a page from Ralph Watson (Captain Knight) which says he's still around.
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Old October 8 2013, 02:33 PM   #692
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Re: Wiped Episode Discoveries

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If there was someone out there with a huge stash, what would stop them cutting out the middle man, as it were, and just making a deal with a DVD production company? Or are the episodes still effectively BBC copyright material (even though the BBC effectively destroyed all copies back in the day).
The BBC owns the copyright on the material on the films. There's no way to commercially exploit it without the BBC's participation.

And even if the person who had the hoard waited for the copyrights to expire in a few decades, the BBC could attempt to stifle exploitation through trademark.
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Old October 8 2013, 02:35 PM   #693
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If there was someone out there with a huge stash, what would stop them cutting out the middle man, as it were, and just making a deal with a DVD production company? Or are the episodes still effectively BBC copyright material (even though the BBC effectively destroyed all copies back in the day).
The episodes themselves are BBC copyright until 70 years after the end of the year in which the death occurs of the last to survive of the principal director, the authors of the screenplay and dialogue, and the composer of any music specially created for the film.*

The physical cans of film they're stored on are another matter.


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Old October 8 2013, 02:36 PM   #694
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If there was someone out there with a huge stash, what would stop them cutting out the middle man, as it were, and just making a deal with a DVD production company? Or are the episodes still effectively BBC copyright material (even though the BBC effectively destroyed all copies back in the day).
The BBC owns the copyright on the material on the films. There's no way to commercially exploit it without the BBC's participation.

And even if the person who had the hoard waited for the copyrights to expire in a few decades, the BBC could attempt to stifle exploitation through trademark.
I figured that would be the case, I just wondered if there was some kind of legal loophole given the BBC didn't care enough about the material to keep it in the first place
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Old October 8 2013, 02:39 PM   #695
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I figured that would be the case, I just wondered if there was some kind of legal loophole given the BBC didn't care enough about the material to keep it in the first place
It was nothing to do with not caring. It was the massive cost of storing something (not just Doctor Who) that there was no way of forseeing would ever have any future value. An episode of British TV in the 1960's was designed to be seen at most twice and then never again.
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Old October 8 2013, 02:45 PM   #696
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Pretty sure there's some people left from Web of Fear: if nobody from among the soldiers, then I think I'd have heard about Rod Beacham (Corporal Lane) dying via Blake's 7 fandom (he wrote Assassin .
He died on February 12th this year.

http://www.thestage.co.uk/features/o...4/rod-beacham/
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Old October 8 2013, 02:54 PM   #697
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BBC News finally reporting it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24448063.
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Old October 8 2013, 02:55 PM   #698
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If Lizo Mzimba is reporting it, then it must be true.
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Old October 8 2013, 02:58 PM   #699
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Pretty sure there's some people left from Web of Fear: if nobody from among the soldiers, then I think I'd have heard about Rod Beacham (Corporal Lane) dying via Blake's 7 fandom (he wrote Assassin .
He died on February 12th this year.

http://www.thestage.co.uk/features/o...4/rod-beacham/
Yikes, I missed that. =/

So it looks like the only major actors left are Frazer, Deborah, Tina Packer (Anne Travers) and Jon Rollason (Chorley)? And John Levene played a Yeti.
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Old October 8 2013, 02:58 PM   #700
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I figured that would be the case, I just wondered if there was some kind of legal loophole given the BBC didn't care enough about the material to keep it in the first place
It was nothing to do with not caring. It was the massive cost of storing something (not just Doctor Who) that there was no way of forseeing would ever have any future value. An episode of British TV in the 1960's was designed to be seen at most twice and then never again.
Yeah, I ws just wondring if some smart arse lawyer could make a case
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Old October 8 2013, 02:59 PM   #701
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I figured that would be the case, I just wondered if there was some kind of legal loophole given the BBC didn't care enough about the material to keep it in the first place
It was nothing to do with not caring. It was the massive cost of storing something (not just Doctor Who) that there was no way of forseeing would ever have any future value. An episode of British TV in the 1960's was designed to be seen at most twice and then never again.
Yeah, I ws just wondring if some smart arse lawyer could make a case
Even if someone could possibly make a case here, the Broadcast Act 1956 states that all television broadcasts are under copyright for 50 years from the date of broadcast, so the only story that would "benefit" is Marco Polo, and not until the middle of next year.
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Old October 8 2013, 03:08 PM   #702
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24448063

OK, so how many, and which? Wake me up when they announce that.
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Old October 8 2013, 03:11 PM   #703
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OK, so how many, and which?
It's looking like "how many" will depend on how many people buy the first few.
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Old October 8 2013, 03:13 PM   #704
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So, BBC has now officially announced the announcement
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Old October 8 2013, 03:14 PM   #705
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Interestingly, The Web of Fear audiobook is no longer available from either iTunes US or Audible.com. Not sure if it's been gone awhile, as I bought it ages ago, but it is the only one missing. (They even finally put The Wheel in Space up there - took long enough!)
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