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Old July 29 2013, 04:43 PM   #346
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I would be more suprised if they didn't do a theme night on either BBC3 or 4. Following on from the airing of the 50th Anniversary special.
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Old July 29 2013, 06:29 PM   #347
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The speculation and the rumors won't go away! Therefore there most be some truth in all of this! Something was found! We just don't know what or how much!
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Old July 29 2013, 06:50 PM   #348
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The speculation and the rumors won't go away! Therefore there most be some truth in all of this!
That's pretty much the definition of logical fallacy right there.

If there was any truth out there then the details, all supposedly coming from insiders, wouldn't vary so wildly.
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Old July 29 2013, 06:56 PM   #349
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I've got a theory, well two actually. The first one is that they have indeed found a large number of lost episodes, but not the 108, but the films of episodes that they have still retained, but not in broadcast form, for instance the original colour versions of Ambassadors of death and/or Mind of Evil. I believe that the surviving episodes from the 60s are not the original films but video recordings that involved the film being played on a screen and then someone at the BBC pointing a video camera at it to record it for overseas sales purposes. Can anyone else confirm whether thats what happened with the B & W era episodes?
The second option is the reason all these people in the Dr Who production office have signed NDAs only to then spill the beans about missing episodes to all and sundry is a clever bit of misdirection by Moffat and co. In reality they've got big things to come for Nu Who and don't want the fans to find out before they should and so have us all chasing our tails hunting down missing episodes. Thats my two penneth anyway.
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Old July 29 2013, 07:33 PM   #350
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Rich Johnston has another article up. It's 40 episodes! No, it's 93! And they'll be showing "The Web of Fear" on BBC 4 in November! And releasing "The Enemy of the World" on DVD! And everybody gets a pony!
That's roughly what was going around the Tavern a month ago, except it was Marco Polo rather than Web of Fear that was going to be run on BBC4. But without any proof to back it up, it's nothing more than rumours.
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Old July 29 2013, 07:33 PM   #351
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I believe that the surviving episodes from the 60s are not the original films but video recordings that involved the film being played on a screen and then someone at the BBC pointing a video camera at it to record it for overseas sales purposes. Can anyone else confirm whether thats what happened with the B & W era episodes?
That's exactly what was done. It's called "telerecording." It's how Doctor Who was sent overseas. The video tape would be run on a high resolution monitor and the playback would be filmed on (I believe) 16 millimeter film at the necessary frame rate. The original master video tapes remained in London until they were eventually wiped and reused.
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Old July 29 2013, 07:40 PM   #352
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I believe that the surviving episodes from the 60s are not the original films but video recordings that involved the film being played on a screen and then someone at the BBC pointing a video camera at it to record it for overseas sales purposes.
It's the other way around. It was a film camera pointed at a video monitor.
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Old July 29 2013, 07:49 PM   #353
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That's roughly what was going around the Tavern a month ago,
Did they specify the breed of pony?

I don't think Johnston is trolling anybody; I think he really imagines that there's truth to at least some of these rumors. And maybe there is, though the odds that a high-double-digits number of episodes have been found are vanishingly small. (Where would they all come from? And why have none of the rumors managed to get into that, beyond the emphatically-denied claims about Phil Morris and some gubbins about an eccentric African engineer?) But what Johnston doesn't seem to grasp is that (some) members of the production team are part of classic series fandom like everybody else, and prone to the same wild speculation, wishful thinking, and garbled rumors. Missing episodes aren't the professional territory of people who work on the new series-- I doubt many of them would even be told ahead of time about any discovery; they weren't two years ago-- and being "heavily associated with the production team" (whatever that means) doesn't make for a reliable source.
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Old July 29 2013, 08:16 PM   #354
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I've got a theory, well two actually. The first one is that they have indeed found a large number of lost episodes, but not the 108, but the films of episodes that they have still retained, but not in broadcast form, for instance the original colour versions of Ambassadors of death and/or Mind of Evil. I believe that the surviving episodes from the 60s are not the original films but video recordings that involved the film being played on a screen and then someone at the BBC pointing a video camera at it to record it for overseas sales purposes. Can anyone else confirm whether thats what happened with the B & W era episodes?
The second option is the reason all these people in the Dr Who production office have signed NDAs only to then spill the beans about missing episodes to all and sundry is a clever bit of misdirection by Moffat and co. In reality they've got big things to come for Nu Who and don't want the fans to find out before they should and so have us all chasing our tails hunting down missing episodes. Thats my two penneth anyway.
Actually, this rumor, came about before the information was released about the last two episodes (Galaxy 4; Underwater Menace) that were found (People who knew of the rumor and believed it, thought the 2 episodes was just the tip of the iceberg, and that TPB were holding out. Once those two episodes were announced, the rumor pretty much crawled back under it's rock, until this guy started trumpeting it as having some credibility.
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Old July 29 2013, 09:30 PM   #355
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Once those two episodes were announced, the rumor pretty much crawled back under it's rock, until this guy started trumpeting it as having some credibility.
I'm going to disagree with that. The rumors of other finds never went away and continued to be discussed in the hushed tones that they had been before. What Bleeding Cool did was pull off the lid on the story and expose it to the light. I think someone was going to do that sooner rather than later, because the missing episode chatter was getting rather loud.
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Old July 30 2013, 02:03 AM   #356
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And they'll be showing "The Web of Fear" on BBC 4 in November!!
Paul Vanezis has already killed this one on the Missing Episodes forum:

I think it would be extremely difficult for the BBC to screen something they don't have a copy of.

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Old July 30 2013, 02:10 AM   #357
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And they'll be showing "The Web of Fear" on BBC 4 in November!!
Paul Vanezis has already killed this one on the Missing Episodes forum:

I think it would be extremely difficult for the BBC to screen something they don't have a copy of.

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He's far more definitive on Gallifrey Base, after that was picked apart as being an ambiguous non-denial denial by a number of people, including GB owner Steven W. Hill.

Said Vanezis:

As many of you know, I don't usually post here, and I didn't post my original (and I thought ironic) comment about Bleeding Cool's self confessed rumour sheet here either. It seems people think there's a double meaning in my comment. I'm sorry to disappoint those of you who think this is true but it isn't. Whilst I would love to see 'The Web of Fear' repeated, complete and lovingly restored, it isn't going to happen because it has not been found and therefore has not been restored.

I'm sorry if that disappoints anyone, but you all know what my position has always been on the matter.
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Old July 30 2013, 05:19 AM   #358
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The speculation and the rumors won't go away! Therefore there most be some truth in all of this!
That's pretty much the definition of logical fallacy right there.

If there was any truth out there then the details, all supposedly coming from insiders, wouldn't vary so wildly.
I hope you realize I was being sarcastic.

But either way, I completely agree.
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Old July 30 2013, 10:27 AM   #359
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I hope you realize I was being sarcastic.
Sorry! It's hard to tell (especially with this topic) sometimes.
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Old August 1 2013, 02:42 AM   #360
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I saw the link to this at Gallifrey Base and, if true, it's certainly puzzling.

The Restoration Team has had their contract extended through 2016.

If true, why? If nothing has been recovered, then the DVD range is done this year. So what would they be doing the next three years?

Curious.
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