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Old August 19 2013, 08:40 PM   #76
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Re: Star Trek Voyager: Protectors by Kirsten Beyer, Jan 2014!

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Last time this came up, I said six months for spoilers codes, because things do move more slowly in the lit world. I don't have the encyclopedic knowledge of the rest of you, so I don't know when the book Relayer1 is referencing was published but if it's more than six months ago then he's done nothing wrong.
Amazon says August 28, 2012.
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Old August 19 2013, 08:50 PM   #77
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Look, I didn't think the spoiler thing was an issue with a novel that old. I was under the impression that the convention was to use spoiler tags on books for a few months after release. I especially didn't think it was necessary in a thread discussing a follow up novel where speculation based on previous events seems inevitable.

Personally I take spoilers on older novels as to be expected - its my call whether to read the thread.

I am sorry if I upset anyone, but would be really grateful if someone could give me hard and fast rules on when it is appropriate/not needed.
There's no need to get so defensive and no need to be sorry, in my eyes, you did nothing what so ever wrong in any shape or form. As I put it, we're discussing the upcoming novel in an ongoing series and the last book had some pretty big ramifications for the series so it's natural to discuss past events and there is really no need to hide everything behind spoiler tags.

I'm glad to see you, unlike others have a sense of common sense regarding spoilers, I'm of the same opinion, if I don't want to know about something that's happened in the past of an ongoing series and haven't got that far, I'll steer clear of the thread about the next book in the series.

Now, I'm not a mod, so you don't need to pay attention to what is ultimately my own opinion, but nor is jwolf and again, you don't need to pay attention to what is ultimately his own opinion.
100 percent right. If a moderator needs an assistant then I'm sure they'll call, or will change the title accordingly. Other than that, this is a rehash of a recent conversation on spoiler code. But if I must share on this particular book.

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Old August 19 2013, 10:41 PM   #78
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Last time this came up, I said six months for spoilers codes, because things do move more slowly in the lit world. I don't have the encyclopedic knowledge of the rest of you, so I don't know when the book Relayer1 is referencing was published but if it's more than six months ago then he's done nothing wrong.
Amazon says August 28, 2012.
Thanks! So it doesn't need spoiler coding.

I know it's upsetting when you're spoiled on a book you haven't read yet (don't get me started on Harry Potter ) but fair's fair. Six months after publication we can all start discussing without coding everything.
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Old August 19 2013, 11:29 PM   #79
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Look, I didn't think the spoiler thing was an issue with a novel that old. I was under the impression that the convention was to use spoiler tags on books for a few months after release. I especially didn't think it was necessary in a thread discussing a follow up novel where speculation based on previous events seems inevitable.

Personally I take spoilers on older novels as to be expected - its my call whether to read the thread.

I am sorry if I upset anyone, but would be really grateful if someone could give me hard and fast rules on when it is appropriate/not needed.
There's no need to get so defensive and no need to be sorry, in my eyes, you did nothing what so ever wrong in any shape or form. As I put it, we're discussing the upcoming novel in an ongoing series and the last book had some pretty big ramifications for the series so it's natural to discuss past events and there is really no need to hide everything behind spoiler tags.

I'm glad to see you, unlike others have a sense of common sense regarding spoilers, I'm of the same opinion, if I don't want to know about something that's happened in the past of an ongoing series and haven't got that far, I'll steer clear of the thread about the next book in the series.

Now, I'm not a mod, so you don't need to pay attention to what is ultimately my own opinion, but nor is jwolf and again, you don't need to pay attention to what is ultimately his own opinion.
100 percent right. If a moderator needs an assistant then I'm sure they'll call, or will change the title accordingly. Other than that, this is a rehash of a recent conversation on spoiler code. But if I must share on this particular book.

NOOOOOOOOO, DAMN YOU. I read the spoiler and now the whole book has been spoiled.
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Old August 19 2013, 11:41 PM   #80
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There's no need to get so defensive and no need to be sorry, in my eyes, you did nothing what so ever wrong in any shape or form. As I put it, we're discussing the upcoming novel in an ongoing series and the last book had some pretty big ramifications for the series so it's natural to discuss past events and there is really no need to hide everything behind spoiler tags.

I'm glad to see you, unlike others have a sense of common sense regarding spoilers, I'm of the same opinion, if I don't want to know about something that's happened in the past of an ongoing series and haven't got that far, I'll steer clear of the thread about the next book in the series.

Now, I'm not a mod, so you don't need to pay attention to what is ultimately my own opinion, but nor is jwolf and again, you don't need to pay attention to what is ultimately his own opinion.
100 percent right. If a moderator needs an assistant then I'm sure they'll call, or will change the title accordingly. Other than that, this is a rehash of a recent conversation on spoiler code. But if I must share on this particular book.

NOOOOOOOOO, DAMN YOU. I read the spoiler and now the whole book has been spoiled.
I know it. But it was just so exciting I couldn't pass it up.
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Old August 20 2013, 12:01 AM   #81
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The Sovereign-class can separate. Presumably, most Starfleet designs are capable of it, even the Defiant-class.
Aside from a mention in one of William Shatner's novels (Spectre?), I don't recall anywhere else mentioning that the Sovereign class was able to seperate, and from what we've seen in the movies of the deflector dish area, it looks like the section between the dish and the saucer is a solid section. Plus I haven't been able to find any mentions by the designer's of the class having saucer seperation capability.
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Old August 20 2013, 12:21 PM   #82
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I asked that question when I read Spectre, and was surprised to learn that it was designed to separate - there's concept art and even a plastic model kit that separates.
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Old August 20 2013, 09:35 PM   #83
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I asked that question when I read Spectre, and was surprised to learn that it was designed to separate - there's concept art and even a plastic model kit that separates.

But that concept art was only something that John Eaves designed himself on the side. Saucer seperation was never asked for from any of the producers in order to be seen on screen, nor did it even get mentioned in any of the scripts.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Sove...nd_information
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Old August 20 2013, 09:51 PM   #84
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I asked that question when I read Spectre, and was surprised to learn that it was designed to separate - there's concept art and even a plastic model kit that separates.

But that concept art was only something that John Eaves designed himself on the side. Saucer seperation was never asked for from any of the producers in order to be seen on screen, nor did it even get mentioned in any of the scripts.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Sove...nd_information
Maybe not, but the design of the ship itself and the lines between the secondary hull and the saucer certainly imply that it's possible. Simply because it wasn't seen on screen or mentioned doesn't preclude the possibility, at the very least.
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Old August 20 2013, 11:18 PM   #85
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Re: Star Trek Voyager: Protectors by Kirsten Beyer, Jan 2014!

The Enterprise-E itself has separated in the novel Resistance. Worf took the drive section to retrieve Picard and defeat the new Queen while counselor T'Lana took command of the saucer to safety because it was damaged by the Borg.
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Old August 21 2013, 02:43 AM   #86
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Hmmm. I forgot all about that.
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Old August 22 2013, 03:10 PM   #87
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TrekCore has the first of a two-part interview with Kirsten Beyer up today:

http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/08/tra...erview-part-i/
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Old August 22 2013, 05:39 PM   #88
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TrekCore has the first of a two-part interview with Kirsten Beyer up today:

http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/08/tra...erview-part-i/

The intro before the interview says "For the past ten years, author Kirsten Beyer has been the lead author on the Voyager post-series novels"...this can't be true, right? FC only came out 4 years ago. Are they counting her String Theory story? It wasn't a VOY-R story. I'm confused. I'll have to read the rest of it...

Ok. Read more. Hyperbole. As you all were.
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Old August 22 2013, 06:19 PM   #89
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She did say she was bad at math.
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Old August 22 2013, 06:30 PM   #90
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TrekCore has the first of a two-part interview with Kirsten Beyer up today:

http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/08/tra...erview-part-i/

The intro before the interview says "For the past ten years, author Kirsten Beyer has been the lead author on the Voyager post-series novels"...this can't be true, right? FC only came out 4 years ago. Are they counting her String Theory story? It wasn't a VOY-R story. I'm confused. I'll have to read the rest of it...

Ok. Read more. Hyperbole. As you all were.
I think String Theory counts as a relaunch title.

I'm not sure why though...
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